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    Collin_Sky's Avatar
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    Memento Mori
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    Twintania
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    Astrologian Lv 100

    Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

    So chaotic came out, and I've seen multiple posters on the forums making statements along the line of

    "The hairstyle should not have been added in chaotic when SE knows lots of casual players will want it"

    Why do some people feel entitled to cosmetic items such as this? I genuinely don't get it. It's obviously there either: as a reward to players doing difficult content, or as a means to encourage people to step out of their comfort zone.
    Even so, it's purchasable on the market board, so why is it such a problem?
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collin_Sky View Post
    So chaotic came out, and I've seen multiple posters on the forums making statements along the line of

    "The hairstyle should not have been added in chaotic when SE knows lots of casual players will want it"

    Why do some people feel entitled to cosmetic items such as this? I genuinely don't get it. It's obviously there either: as a reward to players doing difficult content, or as a means to encourage people to step out of their comfort zone.
    Even so, it's purchasable on the market board, so why is it such a problem?
    The issue isn't entitlement. It's more acknowledging a contributing factor of the issue on threads such as you yourself have made.

    SE > Adds cosmetic item to game, locked behind savage.

    Some raiders > It's not so much fun, why are there so many damn casuals that can barely handle AoEs in my savage parties?!?

    Someone acknowledging the issue > This is what happens when you put cosmetic items behind savage. It will attract casual players into high-end content, that will suddenly want to do it for the reward, even if they aren't prepared.

    Someone not actually reading the comments > CASUALS ARE SO ENTITLED THEY WANT THE REWARD FOR NO EFFORT.

    There's several issues going on here, and not really correlated to entitlement. Most of the casuals that want this cosmetic are already trying to do the content. If people are proposing ideas then it is only to combat SEs fairly bad design.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 12-27-2024 at 08:14 AM.

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    It's the same as the Axolotl, people just want "cute" things without having to work for it. I do agree that people should be challenged in order to obtain things that they want. I think them putting hair styles and such behind the raid is a good thing as it keeps the content relevant either for people who work for it themselves or for people who farm it to make gil.
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Hairstyles aren't really cosmetics, they're one of the most fundamental aspects of character appearance. It's why the game has 4 faces but like 50 hairstyles, hair is incredibly important for how a video game character looks. They shouldn't be locked behind savage or ultimate, and haven't been until now.

    Also casual players don't have 50 million gil, so it being on the market board is irrelevant. It doesn't seem likely that it's going to be 100k any time soon.
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    Lukewarm Tenderloin
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    I mean casual players seem largely fine with mounts and shiny weapons and gear being locked behind hard content. Hairstyles are just a bit different because it's baseline character customization and honestly I agree with them even as a hardcore raider. To me it feels like locking an eyebrow shape or eye colour behind raid content and it just doesn't feel like something that should be a 'prestige' or flex item.
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    A'zalie Nitsah
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    Louisoix
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    Summoner Lv 100
    For most, it's not about getting things for free, it's more about giving the right rewards for the right content, which XIV has not been very good with lately. Things like haircut, orchestion rolls or TT cards are relatively appealing to everyone, so they should be rewards you get on the lowest denomitor. easy enough content, even if it takes a while to get (like with treasure maps, where the rng is bad).

    As much as it would make no sense to put a BiS equipment behind a event quest, it makes very little sense to put an haircut behind what's basically a 24 man savage. Especially a contest haircut.
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    Last edited by CNitsah; 12-27-2024 at 09:31 AM.

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    Maya Mizuki
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    Raiden
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by St0rmy View Post
    It's the same as the Axolotl, people just want "cute" things without having to work for it. I do agree that people should be challenged in order to obtain things that they want. I think them putting hair styles and such behind the raid is a good thing as it keeps the content relevant either for people who work for it themselves or for people who farm it to make gil.
    mean... i'm a raider, yet i absolutely hate doing this, the fight is fun and i appreciate challenges and so should others.
    but to me... PF is litterally harder than just doing the fight... waiting waiting waiting waiting... for 3 pulls... then wait wait wait (people on Light DC have 0 patience)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNitsah View Post
    For most, it's not about getting things for free, it's more about giving the right rewards for the right content, which XIV has not been very good with lately. Things like haircut, orchestion rolls or TT cards are relatively appealing to everyone, so they should be rewards you get on the lowest denomitor. easy enough content, event if it takes a while to get (like with treasure maps, where the rng is bad).

    As much as it would make no sense to put a BiS equipment behind a event quest, it makes very little sense to put an haircut behind what's basically a 24 man savage. Especially a contest haircut.
    Should've seen some of the controversies that happened back in HW with the OG Diadem Emergency Mission when it had a small chance to drop i280 Coven weapons, which had randomized stats, the outcry of some people out of fear it could invalidate their hard earned weapon through Lux or Alexandrian Weapons, cuz all you had to do was kill a dinosaur and get lucky 'lul'.

    Personally, I think it's fine but the shelf life of the content has to actually be there to justify essentially putting core character features/cosmetics behind it, and historically they have never nailed down the shelf life of harder, large scale content.
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    Camulos Kellesha
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    Imagine caring if someone can easily get the hair you like to use.
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    Gullis Hil
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    I mean, ppl just get's pissed when said casuals enter their high end content to get it, so seems like a lose lose scenario
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