Chaotic Alliance Raid is a fun fight, but awful content

[Lilapop]

I think in a vacuum this fight is nice, and I think that's what they designed/made it for, a vacuum. Perhaps JP has god-tier PF experience but farming and progging this has been a pain...

At some point I think I wanted to be out of this hell because my loot goblin brain wanted everything and couldn't leave things half finished.

There's way too many variables in PF...I spent more time outside the fight than inside of it when I wanted to prog, waiting for PFs to fill only to trickle players out into disband feels painful too

I unfortunately think 24 person statics will slowly become a thing, especially when we get more Chaotics.

[Stasya]

I unfortunately think 24 person statics will slowly become a thing, especially when we get more Chaotics.

and honestly it's not 24 man tower problem

i started progging this fight in pf and it's a nightmare not because of difficulty but because of casual players REFUSING to get help and acknowledge their mistakes, it feels like playing with squadron bots sometimes

if they remove 24 man body check later on, people like that will still drag everyone down, either they are entitled to play how they want or just "yeah i like to play games like football irl, when i can afk in the middle of the field and enjoy the view!"

[Capstone]

Additionally, the PF tool is horrendous, the way it automatically closes, the way it locks in specific jobs instead of locking in roles when someone leaves.

Maybe I'm coping but I sort of hope that a beneficial side effect of an influx of casuals to harder content is that they scream enough to get quality of life changes made. Anyone who thinks that square listens to sweaty gamers over casuals has not tried to use some of the arcane systems we put up with.

[TaleraRistain]

I don't get why people keep calling towers a body check. You can survive 2 towers being miss as long as they aren't 1-person towers. I've always considered "body checks" as being mechanics that have a 0 chance of recovery and an instantaneous wipe. Best examples would be High Concept or basically any mechanic in P12S but there were tons of body checks in EW. It's not a body check if you can survive with less than the required amount.

In short. If you can recover then I don't consider it a body check.

Something can be intended and recognized as a body check mechanic even if there's a corner case where it's survivable. Golbez EX was one. If towers and meteors were wrong, you could chuck the meteors into the towers to save the healer in the middle for LB3. But that was still considered one of the body check points in that fight.

[XauXau]

I have cleared enough to have full gear set for healer. I will say this is by far the worst content they have ever shoveled at us. Not 1 second of progging or even clearing did I ever have an ounce of fun whatsoever. It was NOT rewarding feeling to clear, but felt like just the beginning of a horrible farm that I was not looking forward to experiencing at all. It's the same boss I've seen for YEARS doing roulettes, the same garbage mechs just recycled from a past Savage fight, merged with a horrible and boring old AR to make this Frankenstein monstrosity of "New Content"...if that's what they want to call it. lol. Just like Wuk Lamat, it's terrible, cringe, and just plain un-fun and griefing. I just chalked up the gil to buy the hairstyle and Dais mount, while not even caring to get the Cloud mount because of how much suffering I would have to endure for so long just to acquire it, only to not appreciate it all because of how un-fun the experience would be. 0/10 Content, just like the Story for Dawntrail. Hot garbage.

[Mawlzy]

Maybe I'm coping but I sort of hope that a beneficial side effect of an influx of casuals to harder content is that they scream enough to get quality of life changes made. Anyone who thinks that square listens to sweaty gamers over casuals has not tried to use some of the arcane systems we put up with.

There is not, nor will there be, such an influx. That said, I support QoL improvements for everyone.

[sindriiisgaming]

The biggest problem with CODC is it's fundamental design. Its 1 trial/raid styled fight which was almost never what yhe playerbase was asking for. And for what it is it's simply just overtuned and too large. Having a 24 man savage boss raid could never have worked in xiv, it lacks the innovate designs of wow, so this content choice has turned into a pit of misery and toxicity.

Going forward there's only 2 ways to redeem Chaotic alliance raid. Make the content a little easier and stop with constant body/enrage checks. Seriously Mr ozma we are tired of this recycled formula, we didn't like it on p10 and we don't like it here.

Change the number of people down to 8.
If your going to copy the raid skeleton then just copy the player number too. This weird amount of 24 people feels heavily unbalanced

This content is dying rapidly as more and more people get the reward they wanted and leave it for good. It has no longevity, no future. Criterion is more alive. For all the effort in designing this fight just letting it die a violent and fast death has to be such a waste

[SkankyRoe]

Seriously Mr ozma we are tired of this recycled formula, we didn't like it on p10 and we don't like it here.

This may be a controversial take but I think they need to find a new raid designer; not only is Mr Ozma's raid design tired and unfun, but this is now the second time he's "accidentally" overtuned a brand new piece of battle content to be savage difficulty. If he's unable to do the job correctly, then he needs to be replaced with someone who isn't.

[sindriiisgaming]

This may be a controversial take but I think they need to find a new raid designer; not only is Mr Ozma's raid design tired and unfun, but this is now the second time he's "accidentally" overtuned a brand new piece of battle content to be savage difficulty. If he's unable to do the job correctly, then he needs to be replaced with someone who isn't.

ooc what was the other piece of content?

[Mawlzy]

This may be a controversial take but I think they need to find a new raid designer; not only is Mr Ozma's raid design tired and unfun, but this is now the second time he's "accidentally" overtuned a brand new piece of battle content to be savage difficulty. If he's unable to do the job correctly, then he needs to be replaced with someone who isn't.

When I worked in a job in which I commissioned content, if a creator gave me something that failed to meet the specs, I returned it with notes and asked them to fix it. I'd always assumed this was standard, but apparently SE just laughs and goes with it.