Chaotic Alliance Raid is a fun fight, but awful content

[Kranel_San]

I just got my first clear, and I have to say the fact that I get less rewards the less new players there are in the team is absurd.

Tirelessely working 6 days progging in the party finder for what? 9 demimaterias? This is more effort than Day 1 proggers but less rewards than them. What other game, much less an MMO, does this? I don't think I've any reason to join a clear party unless I'm looking to prog again for a handful of material tokens.

Raid is fun, a little bit too much, but the reward structure is basically ridiculous.

[Renaclock]

I haven't clear it yet but I haven't have such fun in this game than chaotic.
I'm not very good at the game so I barely coudl do first tier savage,gave up P12S(it was too hard for me...) and love EXs but always thought the prog is too fast and quickly becomes a mindless grind for mount.
I understand the ppl not wanting bodychecks,not wanting to wipe over and over because of other but I rather spend hours and hours progging,wiping than get it done in few hours and repeat it 99times.

[sindriiisgaming]

This is not about type of content. This is content difficulty.
People wanted more difficulty Alliance Raids apart from the normal 24-people-snoozefest-3-set per expansion.
What people didn't want was a 24-man Savage fight.

Also "this content is not for you" is very easy to say for High-end raiders as they have been given Savage, FRU and now Chaotic while the only casual content that was delivered so far is the coockie-cutter first-set-of-3 Aliance Raid.
As for Midcore content? The usual 1 EX fight in 7.1.
Woooow.

Face it already, DT has a massive issue with content, especially with how stretched full of nothing the patch cycles have become.

if all the people unhappy with the game unsubbed you wouldn't be able to pop your instances. i had a peak tonight over on JP only to find the world occupied by average of 58 players 60% being bots at level 12. this was on every DC. asking people to leave a game they like instead of making the game better for them is like asking for the company to sink

I haven't clear it yet but I haven't have such fun in this game than chaotic.
I'm not very good at the game so I barely coudl do first tier savage,gave up P12S(it was too hard for me...) and love EXs but always thought the prog is too fast and quickly becomes a mindless grind for mount.
I understand the ppl not wanting bodychecks,not wanting to wipe over and over because of other but I rather spend hours and hours progging,wiping than get it done in few hours and repeat it 99times.

that's ultimate raider mindset in 24 man mid-hardcore savagextreme

[AllenThyl]

if all the people unhappy with the game unsubbed you wouldn't be able to pop your instances.

What a sad state of society in the 21st century, when people think this state of being is somehow a good thing. All for a video game.

[Gurgeh]

Memetrail
https://youtu.be/sTFbdkCtDZg?t=9m53s
...in need to leave
...I have to go too.
"My cat just destroyed our router" LMFAO
Where Esuna? ( XD )
Pissed myself oh my word

[Immut]

When the details were announced, I was immediately puzzled how a request for "harder alliance raids" had morphed into a "24-person savage trial."

I can agree with that. I was kind of hoping for a savage difficulty version of the entire WoD raid. This version of Cloud of Darkness has basically nothing in common with the WoD version.

[Minarisweet]

When the details were announced, I was immediately puzzled how a request for "harder alliance raids" had morphed into a "24-person savage trial."

It seems like the dev team (and the community itself) doesnt realize there can be different difficulties that aren't just super easy or super hard. Even extreme trials are a huge leap in difficulty compared to all normal content and its considered the midcore point for a lot of players even though I disagree personally but its undeniable how the leap in difficulty between normal and anything else is a bit too much.

[ExiaKuromonji]

- COD does not "feel like" an alliance raid. Single arena boss, requiring every alliance to split up for half the fight, and disappointing alliance-based mechanics (mainly just stacks)

This is literally my favorite part of the fight.

- Designing a 24-man body check is kinda insane. Before I get told to "git gud", I already have 5 clears, some of which with not a single tower missed.

I don't get why people keep calling towers a body check. You can survive 2 towers being miss as long as they aren't 1-person towers. I've always considered "body checks" as being mechanics that have a 0 chance of recovery and an instantaneous wipe. Best examples would be High Concept or basically any mechanic in P12S but there were tons of body checks in EW. It's not a body check if you can survive with less than the required amount.

In short. If you can recover then I don't consider it a body check.

It's not hard to do, even in PF, but it certainly feels like just a 24-man savage with even more chances to be punished for a mistake that isn't yours...

Probably not. but this is an issue an literally any content that isn't normal. If you're going to hold this same complaint for EX and the savage tier that's fine. But it's weird to only have this complaint for Chaotic as if it's somewhat unique to that fight, especially when there's a large margin of recovery.

On top of this, designing a 24-man body check in a fight that can be accessed by ANYONE who has finished Dawntrail is insane...

I agree 100% there needs to be some kind of requirement to enter this raid. There doesn't seem to be many options though that would be fair to everyone. Requiring the full clear of current savage tier is way too much considering M4S is still much harder than this even progging entirely in PF. The fight with an actual static is closer to M1S/M2S difficulty. The difference between no VC and VC is kinda wild on this one. Clearing the latest EX might be a more fairer choice but that also isn't super hard. Better than what we have currently though.

Having to split up alliances is also frustrating in itself because trying to give people raid buffs on the opposite corner is just impossible...?

I'm positive the raid buffs you apply only go to those in your party and not other parties. With current setups in (mostly Aurelia I think?) no one is missing buffs except a few people in alliance B. This is really a non-issue.

Reward design:

Yeah the rewards system in this game needs serious work. Still having a weekly lockout for savage at this point is nuts too.

[Madris]

I cleared a few days ago after about 134 pulls, and countless hours sitting idle in Party Finder. After getting two more clears, for a total of three, I am so exhausted with everything around doing the actual fight. On a mechanical level it is not hard, but simple math will tell you that the random error rate for a party of 24 is sky high.

Additionally, the PF tool is horrendous, the way it automatically closes, the way it locks in specific jobs instead of locking in roles when someone leaves. This content should have been held back for presets, it should have been held back for the raid strategy planner.

Every single thing outside of the fight is in itself a painful uphill battle. Setting out to design an extreme but recognizing that it's more like a second floor savage feels like a failure, and I feel like my time has been wasted when I spend 3-4 hours and come out with 0/99 materia totems after joining farm parties that cannot get a single clear.

If metrics are tallied and the chaotic raid is seen as incredible value for daily active users, leave me out of it. Because I hate its current status as a fundamental waste of time. We would all be better just rolling 24 dice and imagining a wipe.

[Asari5]

the two tokens for armour and mount is kinda like extreme. ok thats alright.

but only getting one of the other tokens if you have no new players? seriously?
and then you need 49 for the hairstyle and 75 for the mount? thats way too much.
sure i can get it as drop. but the hairstyle is tradeable. anyone can roll on it everytime... yeah good luck getting that stuff in the future