Don't do chaotic raid again

[Mawlzy]

Quit.

I mean this with all empathy. You are not only playing the wrong game, you are playing the wrong genre, and the wrong format.

I am puzzled by this.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

[Ardeth]

Quit.

I mean this with all empathy. You are not only playing the wrong game, you are playing the wrong genre, and the wrong format. You have a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game, because you don't properly manage your expectation. It's clear your lack of basic social skills is causing you immense amount of distress. You want your "gaming sessions to be chill", if the basic interaction with this game doesn't provide that, you are playing the wrong game. This is first and foremost, a combat action game, and an MMO on top of that. You join a PvP mode, which is a competitive mode, and become distressed that people in there are actually competitive. You join a duty finder group and become distressed, because others don't want to do all the work while you idle around pressing flowers.

Just unsubscribe. If you don't want to play this game the way it is in the first place, then you shouldn't play it, for your own sake. Don't give money to a company for a product you fundamentally don't enjoy.

First off, I thought I blocked you.

Second off, I do enjoy the game. My only issue currently is that the only content I can chase at the moment is PvP. Just because I don't like rude jerks doesn't mean every game is like that. In fact, the majority of them are fine.

You assume because you know nothing, you know something.

Now return to the void from once you came.

[AllenThyl]

I am puzzled by this.

No surprise here.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

As I said, no surprise here. First, high-end combat duties aren't done by some fringe minority. Second, the existence of difficult combat encounters isn't some surprise for a combat action MMORPG, it's one of the staple features of this kind of genre. When joining a tennis club, expect there to be lots of tennis, some will even do it professionally. What Ardeth is doing is joining a tennis club, and then being distressed that members of this club are, in fact, playing tennis.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

YOU, thankfully, don't speak for the "casuals". And neither is Ardeth representative of "the casuals". Ardeth, as an individual, has a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game. Their expectations for every single piece of content is completely out of whack. As is the impression they have from the supposed "toxicity" in pf. Playing this game isn't mandatory in any way. Queuing for any activity within the game is also not mandatory in any way. If a player doesn't have an intrinsic interest in actually doing the activity they queue for, they shouldn't. If someone feels "forced" to, that's video game addiction speaking. Some people only play tennis casually, and that is okay. That doesn't mean that everyone else also needs to lower their standards, or get dragged down morally and verbally by people who aren't even interested in tennis.

[technole]

Clear rates are okay for not even a month in, JP always higher since raiding is just a normal thing. It's definitely successful and they may have hit a sweet spot in difficulty.



Wicked Thunder Savage has about 200k clears worldwide, but of course that's been out for much much longer

[Mawlzy]

Ardeth, as an individual, has a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game.

You say that about anyone who disagrees with you. Either that or claim they "peaked in high school."

There are many ways to play this game, Allen.

[Menriq]

I am puzzled by this.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

Not that I want to derail, but if SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of players dislike and don't engage with, wouldn't there be better alternatives? I know your next line was they find plenty of ways to enjoy the game, but if the majority of the game isn't for them and they stay subscribed, what incentive does SE have to change?

[Kaurhz]

What game are you playing?

Hyperbole on their part, but their point is actually very accurate. The regular dungeon/duty content in this game builds a monumental amount of complacency with players due to nothing really being even remotely punishing.

[Mawlzy]

Not that I want to derail, but if SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of players dislike and don't engage with, wouldn't there be better alternatives? I know your next line was they find plenty of ways to enjoy the game, but if the majority of the game isn't for them and they stay subscribed, what incentive does SE have to change?

I think CAR is almost a special case, in that it's basically standalone content that nobody asked for that has even produced divisions within the raiding community. Plus its release timing was unfortunate given the reception to DT and other factors.

Any game can successfully include niche content. The issue is whether those who dislike it find enough to do in other areas of the game.

I'd agree SE has no reason to change if players remain subscribed. I'd suggest players do so for a host of reasons, mostly involving their friends. So let's see what happens to the subscriber count. I'm not one of the doomsayers who looks at one datapoint and announces 14 is in a death spiral.

I think there's actually a shortage of better alternatives, but if SE relies on that to maintain the subscription numbers, it may end poorly. I realize when Yoshi-P stated the game needed more stress he had many cheerleaders supporting the position, but with so many people playing 14 to relax and socialize, this strikes me as a dangerous decision.

Only time will tell.

[Mawlzy]

Hyperbole on their part, but their point is actually very accurate. The regular dungeon/duty content in this game builds a monumental amount of complacency with players due to nothing really being even remotely punishing.

Depends on your definition of "punishing" I guess. I took one look at Strayborough and concluded I might take a shot next expansion, if at all.

And "punishing" is a curious word, isn't it? Not an incentive to try content for most of us.

[Kaurhz]

Depends on your definition of "punishing" I guess. I took one look at Strayborough and concluded I might take a shot next expansion, if at all.

And "punishing" is a curious word, isn't it? Not an incentive to try content for most of us.

Punishing is perhaps the wrong word, but either way..

It just generally doesn't matter or not for the most part whether you fail a mechanic and/or whether you can auto-attack a boss to death, both of these things just build up terrible complacency, both with how the difficulty 'curve' in this game works, and with how people play their classes. The game doesn't really encourage people to actually learn in most capacities.

People often seriously overestimate what the 'other' option entails. I think to a degree your response is actually an exhibit of this problem. If the game had a natural form of progression, then people wouldn't be intimidated by something like the teacups from Strayborough, or the Barreltender from Tender Valley, nor would players find it such a stressful experience, and nor would we really have threads like this created because those players that do go into this content will have a smooth transition since they would not be missing fundamentals.