Don't do chaotic raid again

[Mawlzy]

We're at the point in this raid tier where you can upgrade your crafted gear with infinitely farmable tomestones and get 730 tomestone gear with the alliance raid coins or infinitely farmable hunt currency.
There is literally no reason to not be 720+ when stepping into the chaotic 24man besides "I couldn't be bothered, teehee".

I think this is right, but it emphasizes that this content is designed for raiders exclusively. And the issue with that is that the timing could not have been worse in terms of PR given the fact 80% of us have nothing to do.

[Absurdity]

I think this is right, but it emphasizes that this content is designed for raiders exclusively. And the issue with that is that the timing could not have been worse in terms of PR given the fact 80% of us have nothing to do.

Where does it emphasize that it is for raiders only? Because showing up in your mix of 710 normal raid, some 710 crafted that you bought 6 months ago, maybe a chestpiece from the alliance raid, no food and no potions isn't gonna cut it?
The chaotic raid technically only needs 710 to get in, but this is about actually trying and "actually trying" doesn't just mean you try to do your rotation correctly and not stand in the bad.

Every "casual" player is able to quite easily get 720+ ilvl and spend a few thousand gil on consumables, this is not an impossible ask unless you simply can't be bothered to because you "only play for fun".

[Lilapop]

Funny, because you don't need discord to do this content either, but it definitely speeds up the process of finding a group versus sitting in PF for awhile. If you want to go the long way, you dont NEED discord, it just significantly saves you time in recruitment.



Ahh yes, the classic retort, complains content is dead or hard to recruit -> someone suggests joining active discords that still prog this content -> materialize the social anxiety answer.

If Discord, which really is just a time saver here, is such an inconvenience for you, then frankly you don't deserve any of the rewards. Let your anxiety roadblock you for as long as you let it. I will never get the social anxiety excuse, while playing a massive multiplayer online game which tends to have goals oriented around party play... talk about living an oxymoron.

All I'm saying is you may like relying on Discord for as much of the game as you play, not everyone shares that opinion. I personally enjoy being able to play the game without needing an organized Discord and VC for every little thing.

[Lilapop]

First, you don't even have to say anything IF you are even getting on a voiced discord channel. The discords are for recruitment purposes of the content, not necessarily for voice comms itself when we are referring to BA DR and other such content.

Also, the issue isn't that someone has a social anxiety of any sort. It's that going from "This is Dying/Dead content -> "Well Recruit via Discord" -> "But my social anxiety" Is an overused excuse with XIV players. If you are so adverse to community driven content and goals, while having crippling social anxiety, than you shouldn't be complaining about the content you seemingly CANT do regardless. Clearly you don't want those drops enough then.

If the content is unplayable/impractical to recruit for and do without Discord, then it isn't "community driven content and goals." It's content that is literally so dead that someone had to unfortunately make a third party place trying to find people to do it. This is some how a good thing to you how?

[Lilapop]

Where does it emphasize that it is for raiders only? Because showing up in your mix of 710 normal raid, some 710 crafted that you bought 6 months ago, maybe a chestpiece from the alliance raid, no food and no potions isn't gonna cut it?
The chaotic raid technically only needs 710 to get in, but this is about actually trying and "actually trying" doesn't just mean you try to do your rotation correctly and not stand in the bad.

Every "casual" player is able to quite easily get 720+ ilvl and spend a few thousand gil on consumables, this is not an impossible ask unless you simply can't be bothered to because you "only play for fun".

Where does the new raid being released that is said to be Extreme/Savage difficulty emphasize that it is for raiders only? Hmm...

[Collin_Sky]

The simple fact is the average PF player is not consistent enough for content of this size.
The average PF player is barely consistent enough for 8 man content. Put 24 of them in a group together, and you can guarantee that at least one person every pull is going to mess up and snowball things into a wipe.
It's really not fun at all.

[Mawlzy]

Where does it emphasize that it is for raiders only? Because showing up in your mix of 710 normal raid, some 710 crafted that you bought 6 months ago, maybe a chestpiece from the alliance raid, no food and no potions isn't gonna cut it?
The chaotic raid technically only needs 710 to get in, but this is about actually trying and "actually trying" doesn't just mean you try to do your rotation correctly and not stand in the bad.

Every "casual" player is able to quite easily get 720+ ilvl and spend a few thousand gil on consumables, this is not an impossible ask unless you simply can't be bothered to because you "only play for fun".

I agree with you. I could run endless hunt trains and the alliance raid and upgrade to 720+, thereby obtaining gear that will be obsolete in a few months that I won't use for any content other than this one chaotic raid.

I am fine with this content not being for me. I would, however, like some content that is for me. And I guess I am a little sore about this partly because my favorite content - PvP - has just been royally effed up by the idiotic changes to hit detection.

[Absurdity]

Where does the new raid being released that is said to be Extreme/Savage difficulty emphasize that it is for raiders only? Hmm...

The discussion I replied to was entirely about the enrage timer and ilvl requirement.
Nowhere am I claiming that executing the fight correctly is easy, just that showing up in the absolute minimum ilvl required and consequently wiping to minor mistakes is not "trying your best".

[Havenchild]

If the content is unplayable/impractical to recruit for and do without Discord, then it isn't "community driven content and goals." It's content that is literally so dead that someone had to unfortunately make a third party place trying to find people to do it. This is some how a good thing to you how?

But you can recruit for said content without discord, it just takes longer without it. But that's also the nature of content that in itself is dated. Ultimates are outside of that for example, but something like DR, BA and Blue Raids are not generally current content and several expansions removed. There is no content in any MMO that transcends multiple years of relavancy and is equally as active as when it first released.

[Alice_Rivers]

Where does the new raid being released that is said to be Extreme/Savage difficulty emphasize that it is for raiders only? Hmm...

In fairness I recall it being introduced in the LL as "A Savage Alliance Raid", I think I would have preferred an Extreme Alliance Raid as the test for this concept but hey, I'm not a dev and according to people here I'm a casual too so you know...

I don't have a problem with people joining up in 710 gear and making a good faith effort to clear, I'd rather it were a little more forgiving of minor mistakes but hey, you work with what you've got. For my part I spent the last three or four hours getting more consistent on P1 and prog-ing P2 as best I can when a number of peeps fail the last couple of things in P1. Most of the people I'm finding in PF are in a similar phase and quite welcoming, or just abandon the PF as soon as a wipe happens which sucks but then why would you join "chill prog" if you're not chill?