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  1. #21
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    Yeah they had to increase tank Threat generation due to PCT burst and aoe damage is so wild.
    And PCT is also the reason for the chance to Limit Break gauge generation to stop groups from just stacking multiple PCT.

    That kinda shows how poorly and wildly overpowered this one Job is. And because they raised all other jobs damage to try match PCT, they didn't have time to rebalance the Savage bosses making the tier easier than they planned.

    PCT is broken and has been allowed to run free for 6 months now. Time to fix this issue now before Chaotic. I bet all the parties will skip Limit Breaks and just put 12 PCT in the 24 man groups to obliterate the fight xD
    Tank agro generation was because of lazy tanks who wouldn’t actually do AOE to get agro on mobs

    What you did with PCT before the change you also did with ark mohn and technical finish in 6.x

    That was just compensation for lazy tanks
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Mayumi Ichikawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    Yeah they had to increase tank Threat generation due to PCT burst and aoe damage is so wild.
    And PCT is also the reason for the chance to Limit Break gauge generation to stop groups from just stacking multiple PCT.

    That kinda shows how poorly and wildly overpowered this one Job is. And because they raised all other jobs damage to try match PCT, they didn't have time to rebalance the Savage bosses making the tier easier than they planned.

    PCT is broken and has been allowed to run free for 6 months now. Time to fix this issue now before Chaotic. I bet all the parties will skip Limit Breaks and just put 12 PCT in the 24 man groups to obliterate the fight xD
    M1S
    DRG
    BLM
    VPr
    MNK

    M2s
    PCT
    VPR
    BLM
    DRG

    M3S
    BLM
    DRG
    PCT
    VPR

    M4S
    VPR
    BLM
    PCT
    DRG

    Tell me, if it was the MOST OVERPOWERED why is it not #1 for all 4? How is it POSSIBLE that the inferior and so underpowered BLM is able to best it? The answer is simple, you got one sample set of data in one situation that you can use. So what, it has downtime bonus, yes. Black Mage has had 10 years of being the top caster damage, guess what it is over now. Deal with it, move along, enjoy the game. Stop this doom logic and focus on just having fun with the game rather than whatever meta comp you feel the game has to have cause by your own little argument might as well not play 9 other jobs in this game, cause it's not the top damage. You not an AST or SCH? Welp, why bother be in a raid. It's just so over the top it is not even funny.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasigno View Post
    M1S
    DRG
    BLM
    VPr
    MNK

    M2s
    PCT
    VPR
    BLM
    DRG

    M3S
    BLM
    DRG
    PCT
    VPR

    M4S
    VPR
    BLM
    PCT
    DRG

    Tell me, if it was the MOST OVERPOWERED why is it not #1 for all 4? How is it POSSIBLE that the inferior and so underpowered BLM is able to best it? The answer is simple, you got one sample set of data in one situation that you can use. So what, it has downtime bonus, yes. Black Mage has had 10 years of being the top caster damage, guess what it is over now. Deal with it, move along, enjoy the game. Stop this doom logic and focus on just having fun with the game rather than whatever meta comp you feel the game has to have cause by your own little argument might as well not play 9 other jobs in this game, cause it's not the top damage. You not an AST or SCH? Welp, why bother be in a raid. It's just so over the top it is not even funny.
    :what: how are they supposed to have fun when they're literally locked out of pfs or completely invalidated out of there own roles (ranged) over the job they play. i think you do not play ranged or caster.. or not in high in content, or you main picto and think everyone else is complaining while you live the good life
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    :what: how are they supposed to have fun when they're literally locked out of pfs or completely invalidated out of there own roles (ranged) over the job they play. i think you do not play ranged or caster.. or not in high in content, or you main picto and think everyone else is complaining while you live the good life
    Because that is essentially a fabricated comment? As it is quite easy to look up this point, I'll just elaborate on it. Thanks to xivpf, I could not even find a PF that had it locked out the caster jobs at all. Even combinations to the point of double physical ranged are posted at the time of my writing this.

    I'll admit I do not dive into Ultimate, so you got me on that. However I've cleared tier on both PCT and DNC. I actually got my alt dancer to 100 just cause every night we had to fill for Physical range we spent hours waiting for any of the three to jump in. To be honest? Yea I think the BLM argument of needing it to be the top caster damage is falling on deaf ears. Square Enix themselves have made the point clear. Regardless of how they change it, redesign it, or what not. PCT was from conception going to be a rival to BLM. It's been said in patch notes, live letter, and so on. It's a dead horse and tired of hearing it.

    As for what I think on the matter of its downtime bonus, I've said this elsewhere and I'll say it here as well. I do think other jobs deserve some downtime abilities. It would require building each up from ground again, but that is a byproduct of designing one job up versus to redoing all of them. I'd also love to see a break from the 2-minute burst windows and a change of how encounters and fights are. I'd say that would make for a point to actually change how fights and what job benefits where. As right now, if you want to sweat the meta, there is no reason to bring anything but the top 4 damage jobs and rest the comp for optimization.
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    I'd rather have my 'overpowered' PCT with their unique downtime options than to sterilize them like the rest of the roster, thanks. WAR's BW were, and still inconceivably powerful for a tool of its caliber, yet many turns silent because they love their overpowered unga bunga buttons(????). I hope more and more people silently enjoy their overpowered splatoon mage too and maybe enforce more and more class lockout, so SE will finally spend a dime to foresee their jobs for once.

    Meta slaves are one of the worst (not directed to OP).
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    *cries is MCHs*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavenchild View Post
    *cries is MCHs*
    another 100 potency to flamethrower
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    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    Is it really such a surprise that certain groups would want meta comps?
    seems like a crutch if anything

    idk what else to say, I haven't seen much of the behavior mentioned in PF myself unless it's just a FRU thing since I don't think I can see groups for that
    It's not a surprise but the balance of PCT vs BLM is unforgivable. PCT does more damage, has more utility, and is easier to play. I understand SE wants people to play the new classes, but this borders on negligent.

    Hot take, BLM now is in a worse place than friggin Machinist. The job some people considered trolling to take on Savage progression in DT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I'd rather have my 'overpowered' PCT with their unique downtime options than to sterilize them like the rest of the roster, thanks. WAR's BW were, and still inconceivably powerful for a tool of its caliber, yet many turns silent because they love their overpowered unga bunga buttons(????). I hope more and more people silently enjoy their overpowered splatoon mage too and maybe enforce more and more class lockout, so SE will finally spend a dime to foresee their jobs for once.

    Meta slaves are one of the worst (not directed to OP).
    That's nice but some of us want to not feel handicapped because we don't want to play the art major.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    It's not a surprise but the balance of PCT vs BLM is unforgivable. PCT does more damage, has more utility, and is easier to play. I understand SE wants people to play the new classes, but this borders on negligent.

    Hot take, BLM now is in a worse place than friggin Machinist. The job some people considered trolling to take on Savage progression in DT.



    That's nice but some of us want to not feel handicapped because we don't want to play the art major.
    The only fight in the same where you are the legit potentially making it harder on yourself to not take is FRU and that’s because of the motif design

    If your caster or melee are blaming a lack of PCT for savage or extreme damage then there is many other things you should be looking at first
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The only fight in the same where you are the legit potentially making it harder on yourself to not take is FRU and that’s because of the motif design

    If your caster or melee are blaming a lack of PCT for savage or extreme damage then there is many other things you should be looking at first
    Oh 100%, but let's be real, that's not how most raids work. PCT is--at the end of the day--topping numbers, and those numbers are what people are going to look at. Someone could be a 99th percentile black mage, and most people will still take the PCT for party even if they gray parse. I know it. You know it. This happened to WAR and PLD last expansion during P8S. And that was over tank DPS.

    Also as a class who has to put in more effort for my damage and has no utility, I expect my damage to be better than a class that has offensive utility and is easier to play--at least in the same role as me. Sorry-not-sorry.
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