Let us use phoenix downs in combat, give healers more damage buttons, and a bit else

[Kohashi]

GW2 did that, and had to add the trinity back for raids because bosses wouldn’t really be programmed to do anything crazy. And any hits had to be survivable by every class.

Let me say this, it is hard to compare how Blade and Soul bosses relate to FF14 in terms of mechanics but in talking strictly about the fight pace and mechanic speed (how fast they happen), they are somewhere around Ultimate+.
The "savage" counterpart is very fast-paced, requires precision in execution as well as class rotation (bosses have hard enrage if you can't DPS), knowledge(muscle memory), and fast reaction time. There are no telegraphs, there is no afking pushing 1 button. Move your feet or die. The combat is extremely punishing and some classes have a very high skill ceiling of entry and mastery but they are also extremely rewarding.

I really don't see how. You'd be left with only damage output as a metric beyond healing that would essentially vanish.
If we want something engaging we have to start introducing back a lot of different metrics and variables to the whole system, else it's gonna stay one dimensional.

Very easy in fact. By giving each class iframes and regen (similar to Bloodbath) inbuilt into some spells to alleviate some of the mistakes and damage taken. Make the combat fast-paced and punishing. I do doubt ff14 can support such a system with the current netcode and how everything works.

[Lorika]

I don't want more button for just be a real bad third zone DPS, i want healing to be a real thing again.... DPS can come after that, but first fix healing (which include a lot of nerf)

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Let me say this, it is hard to compare how Blade and Soul bosses relate to FF14 in terms of mechanics but in talking strictly about the fight pace and mechanic speed (how fast they happen), they are somewhere around Ultimate+.
The "savage" counterpart is very fast-paced, requires precision in execution as well as class rotation (bosses have hard enrage if you can't DPS), knowledge(muscle memory), and fast reaction time. There are no telegraphs, there is no afking pushing 1 button. Move your feet or die. The combat is extremely punishing and some classes have a very high skill ceiling of entry and mastery but they are also extremely rewarding.




Very easy in fact. By giving each class iframes and regen (similar to Bloodbath) inbuilt into some spells to alleviate some of the mistakes and damage taken. Make the combat fast-paced and punishing. I do doubt ff14 can support such a system with the current netcode and how everything works.

That’s an action game, completely different from tab target mmos.

[Kohashi]

That’s an action game, completely different from tab target mmos.

right, but also each class is unique, has 0 button bloat, with 0 homogenization, and 0 burst phase while the fights are difficult, engaging, and rewarding. Pretty much what most of the people in the forums complain about.

[Valence]

Let me say this, it is hard to compare how Blade and Soul bosses relate to FF14 in terms of mechanics but in talking strictly about the fight pace and mechanic speed (how fast they happen), they are somewhere around Ultimate+.
The "savage" counterpart is very fast-paced, requires precision in execution as well as class rotation (bosses have hard enrage if you can't DPS), knowledge(muscle memory), and fast reaction time. There are no telegraphs, there is no afking pushing 1 button. Move your feet or die. The combat is extremely punishing and some classes have a very high skill ceiling of entry and mastery but they are also extremely rewarding.




Very easy in fact. By giving each class iframes and regen (similar to Bloodbath) inbuilt into some spells to alleviate some of the mistakes and damage taken. Make the combat fast-paced and punishing. I do doubt ff14 can support such a system with the current netcode and how everything works.

Sounds absolutely obnoxious.

[Rebeccubus]

I don't want more button for just be a real bad third zone DPS, i want healing to be a real thing again.... DPS can come after that, but first fix healing (which include a lot of nerf)

I agree that the healing is important, which is why I want them to also fix the balance of healing on other classes in addition. I also think they could focus on both issues at once.

[Lorika]

I agree that the healing is important, which is why I want them to also fix the balance of healing on other classes in addition. I also think they could focus on both issues at once.

"A courir deux lièvres à la fois on en attrape aucun".
It's a old French saying which mean that you shouldn't do two thing at the same time because you'll either fail or do a very poor job, and waste time.

[Aviatorhead]

IMO, what is actually more stressful for a lower skill healer is when you die and the entire group wipes because of it, or even worse disbands because of you. The punishment for underperforming on a healer is WAY higher than any other role. A dps or tank can be carried through content by a healer. They get to make mistakes and continue playing. A healer can only be carried by another healer, a caster with a raise, or an OP tank (last one especially sucks cause the healer and often the DPS too dont get to play anymore as they wait for the tank to SLOWLY finish the fight or die).

^ this x1000. I hate going into harder content as healer because I am clumsy. I am likely to mess up here and there and die. And I know that 1 mistake means it will either end in a run that took too long or one where me and my dps get to watch the tank finish the boss. Those runs are embarrassing in the least and make me want to not queue healer anymore at their worst.

I can mess up as much as I want on either other role and there's always a way back into the fight. Healer, you get to sit out while someone plays the game for you.

[FemmeFatale]

As an astrologian main.. no thanks, no more buttons, if I wanted to DPS I'd be a DPS.

[Aviatorhead]

I also main astro but I say MORE BUTTONS. and less healing buttons that do the same thing. The 1 button spamathon has gone on long enough.