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    Nasigno's Avatar
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    Mayumi Ichikawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    The thing is from what I've heard, PCT was weaker during the press event when Influencers was invited to interviews and test play. Then when Dawntrail launched they launches PCT buffer several hundred of potency. They should just revert PCT back to those numbers imo. It's just breaking raid content at this point :/

    I've never been this close to permanently hang up my BLM rod and shut down my SE account just like I did with my BattleNet account when blizzard launched MOP and I made FFXIV my main mmo back in 2011, 1.0 :/
    And it failed to do what they intended when it was in test play. Directly compete with BLM.

    "Because they have a number of actions with long cast times, and no means of reviving others in combat, we intended for them to have comparable DPS to melee jobs alongside Black Mage" - Square Enix 7.05 Patch Notes.

    Regardless of how they designed it, or how it is now. The point of the job was to basically give options, so either way you were going to be likely competing with whatever version of PCT they made. It was going to happen eventually, as it has with Melee, and other jobs being given something to compete for the spot. And no matter what patch or change they do, it will remain comparable so, what you expect BLM to remain on top? Good luck cause they've made their point, even if they TOTALLY redesign it, you'll still be at best comparable to a PCT damage.
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    Dear Boy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    I've never been this close to permanently hang up my BLM rod
    I would advise that you should only do that if you're unhappy with how BLM's current playstyle is.
    Though, I do understand your concern - particularly if it leads to general pf parties/etc locking other casters out specifically to seek PCT, sort of like when people would lock spots in Stormblood thanks to those striking/blunt/piercing debuffs.
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    Chandani Aranka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunhwapark View Post
    I would advise that you should only do that if you're unhappy with how BLM's current playstyle is.
    Though, I do understand your concern - particularly if it leads to general pf parties/etc locking other casters out specifically to seek PCT, sort of like when people would lock spots in Stormblood thanks to those striking/blunt/piercing debuffs.
    I'm happy enough with how BLM plays. I'm however not happy that PFs are locking caster spot only for PCT. I looked at PF today, and of the 30ish various content, i saw 13 groups with the PCT only symbol. That's way more than I saw in Stormblood when the Buffer Jobs like drg, nin, mnk, smn, bed META locked SAM and BLM out. The worst offender back then, was seeing a Susano Ex farm excluding BLM. Even seen the same thing for EX3 mount farm groups. PCT Exclusive spot.
    At this point give BLM
    Stygian Spikes from 1.0. Puts a barrier around party members, causing enemy striking players to take thunder damage
    Blizzard 4/Freeze - Causes Brittle effect on target and take x% more damage
    BloodRite from 1.0 - BLM spills it's own blood in a ritual that enhances party Speed and Damage.
    If pure selfish Jobs are too hard to balance, give everyone something that buffs party in some way or another
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    Last edited by Altera; 12-20-2024 at 03:00 AM.

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    IOwn92FCHouses's Avatar
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    Slot One-six
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    I'm happy enough with how BLM plays. I'm however not happy that PFs are locking caster spot only for PCT. I looked at PF today, and of the 30ish various content, i saw 13 groups with the PCT only symbol. That's way more than I saw in Stormblood when the Buffer Jobs like drg, nin, mnk, smn, bed META locked SAM and BLM out. The worst offender back then, was seeing a Susano Ex farm excluding BLM. Even seen the same thing for EX3 mount farm groups. PCT Exclusive spot.
    At this point give BLM
    Stygian Spikes from 1.0. Puts a barrier around party members, causing enemy striking players to take thunder damage
    Blizzard 4/Freeze - Causes Brittle effect on target and take x% more damage
    BloodRite from 1.0 - BLM spills it's own blood in a ritual that enhances party Speed and Damage.
    If pure selfish Jobs are too hard to balance, give everyone something that buffs party in some way or another
    You people need to stop dooming about the lockout thing. Thanks to NAUR, I can see every FRU party in NA and what they need + have locked out.

    Of all the parties currently recruiting a caster spot, 2 of them have it locked to Picto only. Several have an open spot for any other caster when they already have a picto, and several comps are running double caster in pf. There are roughly 40 total at this current moment.

    But you saw 13 groups locked to Picto only? I'm interested to know when, because the current data, as of this moment, says you're exaggerating.

    For the record, I did Black Mage in stormblood. I was kicked out of a single O4S party. Once. The entire expansion. I otherwise had no issues. What's the opposite of rose tinted glasses?
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    Just went to take a look at Aether PF and granted we're not in prime time, but the only duty where a spot was locked to PCT were FRU PFs. Just as egregious to me was that most of those PFs also locked the flex spot to just melees or locked MCH out. Savage parties, Unreal parties, extreme farm, even old ultimates, none of them had PCT locks.

    To me that shows that while PCT is definitely an outlier in FRU, it's just the same old meta obsessed mentally some PFers have, like when some PFs in Abyssoss locked out RDM and MCH from PF long after the DPS check in P8S p1 had been nerfed and since EW till now, PF locks in double melee even though double caster is more viable than ever before.

    And even then, PF clearly doesn't seem to be locking in PCT in every content because of its dominance in one fight. PCT in its current state is mostly in line with other jobs in most content, to the point that the average player does not care what caster joins their PF. So stating that Chaotic AR next week will be PFs locked to 2-4 PCT everywhere feels completely overblown and will most likely only happen if the fight is extremely downtime heavy.
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    Lua Navkov
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarantserel View Post
    Just went to take a look at Aether PF and granted we're not in prime time, but the only duty where a spot was locked to PCT were FRU PFs. Just as egregious to me was that most of those PFs also locked the flex spot to just melees or locked MCH out. Savage parties, Unreal parties, extreme farm, even old ultimates, none of them had PCT locks.

    To me that shows that while PCT is definitely an outlier in FRU, it's just the same old meta obsessed mentally some PFers have, like when some PFs in Abyssoss locked out RDM and MCH from PF long after the DPS check in P8S p1 had been nerfed and since EW till now, PF locks in double melee even though double caster is more viable than ever before.

    And even then, PF clearly doesn't seem to be locking in PCT in every content because of its dominance in one fight. PCT in its current state is mostly in line with other jobs in most content, to the point that the average player does not care what caster joins their PF. So stating that Chaotic AR next week will be PFs locked to 2-4 PCT everywhere feels completely overblown and will most likely only happen if the fight is extremely downtime heavy.
    It's not obsession by any means. The reason for people accepting RDM/SMN in Savage PFs was the lack of DPS checks. SE did this to protect themselves from the unbalanced mess that was the latest Savage tier. And the reason for not accepting casters and pranged as 4th DPS is that many people join in these conditions and are not willing to fake melee, or the execution is poor and you can tell they have issues with muscle memory.
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    Woah look at that.
    Chaotic came out and it turns out RDM is the meta caster because raise is way more valuable than extra DPS.

    I'm glad you people aren't in charge of balance decisions.
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collin_Sky View Post
    Woah look at that.
    Chaotic came out and it turns out RDM is the meta caster because raise is way more valuable than extra DPS.

    I'm glad you people aren't in charge of balance decisions.
    In the first week perhaps, then it become "toxic elite".

    Making excuses again.
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    Lila Pop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collin_Sky View Post
    Woah look at that.
    Chaotic came out and it turns out RDM is the meta caster because raise is way more valuable than extra DPS.

    I'm glad you people aren't in charge of balance decisions.
    Inb4 PCT doomsayers blame us.
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    Alfimi Einst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilapop View Post
    Inb4 PCT doomsayers blame us.
    DARN RED MAGES MAKING US LOOK BAD! [Cast Claw Motif]

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    Last edited by Thaciscokidd; 12-25-2024 at 01:49 PM.

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