【Suggestion】MCH "Pure DPS"

[Connor]

There's less of it, but I still find it easier to maintain MCH's rotation than the majority of jobs. I do think its numbers are way too undertuned/the others are overtuned right now, but I don't think its current design justifies it doing as much damage as BLM/SAM either. It's also not like I'm okay with them sanding away more and more complexity from all the jobs anyways.

That is true; fail states have been loosened quite a bit, but even then Machinist doesn’t have the same considerations for things like uptime. Like, even though the ‘fail’ bar has went down by a lot, Machinist is still below that lol.

And with that mentioned, I do find it ironic that SE has been sanding down so much complexity from jobs to make them ‘all equally accessible’, but then that removal of said complexity causes so many of its own balancing issues. Like phys ranged struggling because content has (generally) been fairly favourable towards melee with things like giant hit boxes and the Viper simplifications. And of course Pictomancer too lol. So the whole ‘mobility advantage’ thing phys ranged have is much harder to capitalise on.

I think it depends on how much people want the job to play differently from how it does now. The subject of whether WHM, SGE, and MCH should get raid buffs or not's been a pretty common topic in their threads in the JP forums, but I've only really seen it be brought up as an alternative to adding more complexity to their kits, so I usually take that as people not wanting those jobs to feel any harder to use.

I think I get it. For many people adding complexity to the job itself isn’t necessary, so the question is ‘what else can it get to improve things?’. I think Machinist could work with its own type of ‘support’ and/or ‘raid buffs’ or whatever. And, personally I would like to see more abilities/skills that we have (more) control over but aren’t necessarily part of the ‘standard damage rotation’. But I have no idea if that’s like, a ‘hot machinist take’ or not tbh lol

[Azurarok]

I think I get it. For many people adding complexity to the job itself isn’t necessary, so the question is ‘what else can it get to improve things?’. I think Machinist could work with its own type of ‘support’ and/or ‘raid buffs’ or whatever. And, personally I would like to see more abilities/skills that we have (more) control over but aren’t necessarily part of the ‘standard damage rotation’. But I have no idea if that’s like, a ‘hot machinist take’ or not tbh lol

This is kind of where I'm really conflicted on wrt adding a raid buff. They're currently really simple to execute despite adding a considerable boost to rDPS, so to me it often looks like folks wanting them on WHM/SGE/MCH want to increase their damage contribution without making the job any harder. It barely does anything for raising the skill ceiling when it's so close to the floor for these jobs.

[Connor]

This is kind of where I'm really conflicted on wrt adding a raid buff. They're currently really simple to execute despite adding a considerable boost to rDPS, so to me it often looks like folks wanting them on WHM/SGE/MCH want to increase their damage contribution without making the job any harder. It barely does anything for raising the skill ceiling when it's so close to the floor for these jobs.

Yeah I can get that. With how raid buffs usually work it’d just be another ‘press button every 120s’ deal rather than something interesting that develops the job’s gameplay in some way. I guess for some it’s more about the end dps result rather than developing the gameplay of the job in a meaningful way (especially if that result is easy to get to lol).

Plus there’s the whole homogenisation issue which would be made worse if those jobs did get raid buffs, since that’s kind of the main thing separating them from their rivals at the moment (but then also sort-of the cause of the issues lol).

[Azurarok]

Yeah I can get that. With how raid buffs usually work it’d just be another ‘press button every 120s’ deal rather than something interesting that develops the job’s gameplay in some way. I guess for some it’s more about the end dps result rather than developing the gameplay of the job in a meaningful way (especially if that result is easy to get to lol).

Plus there’s the whole homogenisation issue which would be made worse if those jobs did get raid buffs, since that’s kind of the main thing separating them from their rivals at the moment (but then also sort-of the cause of the issues lol).

I'd be more interested in this had raid buffs needed a lot more thought to their usage. Like if this kind of raid buff could be used whenever they like at the cost of ~50 battery, you'd have to weigh when the gains from the buff are worth losing the potency from Queen. It'd be even more challenging if burst timings for every job weren't just every two minutes like they were before EW.

[Zarkovitch]

MCH is the worst job on this game. Like for real, this job current state is close to HW PLD, trash. I'm not saying is mch is unplayable but why pure selfish is so ass on phys range, they need to hit like a truck or something.

[Hanayumi]

Mch, prolly best single target than any other jobs (personally think), really just needs potency increases to it. However its, AoE is total garbo, needs changes a plenty to it, for now id just be happy if they increased its damage overall proper...

[LibitIncarne]

bring back hot shot's old effect, change nothing else, and MCH is top tier again

[ForsakenRoe]

Change Flamethrower to be a true OGCD again, which deals 150p on use, and then however much per second afterwards as you channel it.

Add a line to Flamethrower's effect which says 'initial potency is tripled (450p) when used on a target suffering from Bioblaster'.

Now in the 1min burst window, we swap a non-Reassembled Drill (600p) to a Bio+FT combo (300+450p), for a gain of 150p per minute.

This also makes both Bioblaster and Flamethrower see use outside of EX roulette, and feeds into the MCH identity by having two more 'tools' in the single-target rotation

I dunno if 300p more per 2min is enough to solve the MCH issue, but it can't make the situation any worse

[Andevom]

At least MCH is still top tier in PotD.

[Akamadoshi]

At least MCH is still top tier in PotD.

As a MCH main on all deep dungeons + solo , yesyesyesyes!!!
Out of Deep dungeon? Nonono. People talk about the heatshot "ping issue" as I play with 250 ping sometimes, I never had the issue.
True issue is: Queen never starts fighting because the sevrer lagging, nobody has spoken about it, but maybe because I put the timing wrong. I don't know, she seems very.... ready to retire.
(If you think this is my own mistake, please tell me!!! anyone who reads this. I wondered about this also!)