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  1. #71
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    AnnRam's Avatar
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    ARR/HS quest design were godlike I don't care about anyone saying " But 500 quests before HS" you were a simple adventure figuring things out and always fighting enemies beyond your skill level. Now supposedly you're a god that struggles against some alpacas and basic monster design because writers ran out of ideas.
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  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    ARR/HS quest design were godlike I don't care about anyone saying " But 500 quests before HS" you were a simple adventure figuring things out and always fighting enemies beyond your skill level. Now supposedly you're a god that struggles against some alpacas and basic monster design because writers ran out of ideas.
    I do really enjoy the whole simple adventurer angle
    It's why personally I never consider my character as the warrior of light, even if that's how the MSQ will treat him

    I think it's better to separate gameplay mechanics from the story, because as far as the narrative went we're this super powerful trump card that is being held back as our strength is recognized by several people

    It's pretty hard I imagine to have the enemies we fight make sense when we have defeated the embodiment of despair itself and other universe ending threats which seems pretty typical for a final fantasy game

    but on the other hand I have to wonder what stakes there will be in the future, because I don't see how we could lose with the way things are going. Maybe we could do with another instance of losing, like we did the first time we met Zenos though I wonder if people would be happy with that
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  3. #73
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    Nia Niyah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    Someone getting stronger and more determined over time and then winning a fight under different circumstances does not make them a shonen protagonist.
    Um, that is literally shonen lol

    it's ok you can like wuk, i also like yshtola despite her being a plank of wood of a character, no need to lie about her being interesting or anything
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  4. #74
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    The simple thing that needed to happen was that we went into Tural by ourselves as an honest-to-god adventurer and explore that new world piece by piece. One expansion we explored Yok Tural, the next Xak Tural, while the story is building up to Sphene and Alexandria. This would make Wuk Lamat an even more endearing character as we would really see her improve under our tutelage.


    But.. That's just my 2 cents.
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  5. #75
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    Keiji Zaika
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    Again, there are instances throughout the game of NPCs dealing more damage than the players' party, so it's weird to focus on only this one as egregious.
    Mhm, that's why the very same girl also gets kidnapped by a random weak NPC. But it would be obviously egregious to think about it.
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zukkii View Post
    The simple thing that needed to happen was that we went into Tural by ourselves as an honest-to-god adventurer and explore that new world piece by piece. One expansion we explored Yok Tural, the next Xak Tural, while the story is building up to Sphene and Alexandria. This would make Wuk Lamat an even more endearing character as we would really see her improve under our tutelage.


    But.. That's just my 2 cents.
    Nothing would make her an endearing character

    That's my 2 cents.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Um, that is literally shonen lol

    it's ok you can like wuk, i also like yshtola despite her being a plank of wood of a character, no need to lie about her being interesting or anything
    As I said elsewhere, that criteria applies to a huge amount of non-shonen characters all across fiction, so that criteria is useless. Or do you think everything with feathers is a duck?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Mhm, that's why the very same girl also gets kidnapped by a random weak NPC. But it would be obviously egregious to think about it.
    She got kidnapped off screen, presumably by BKJJ. You imagined she got kidnapped by a nobody and then you got mad at your imagination.
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  9. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    See, now you got me wondering how much more better some cutscenes would be if it was just the NPCs yapping in the foreground while in the background our WoL is being a menace to the local wildlife or current expansion mooks.
    Let me just put a few thoughts in your head. A couple of thoughts I had for 7.0 MSQ.

    Wuk Lamat goes out to capture a Llama? Its a minigame/solo instance, grab that critter!
    The Hanu Hanu do their festival? The WoL leads the progression, trying to move the float past as many Hanu as possible. Capture the moment!
    We have to cook Xibruq Pibil? Cool beans, here is a set of faux crafter skills, go make that HQ, hero!
    Driving a suicide train into an enemy fortress? Its a shooting minigame like in Gold Saucer, defend your bomb!

    etc etc. There are ways we could marry gameplay and story, make everything more interactive. Square Enix would just need to do it and stop being afraid to require gameplay for MSQ progress.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  10. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zukkii View Post
    The simple thing that needed to happen was that we went into Tural by ourselves as an honest-to-god adventurer and explore that new world piece by piece. One expansion we explored Yok Tural, the next Xak Tural, while the story is building up to Sphene and Alexandria. This would make Wuk Lamat an even more endearing character as we would really see her improve under our tutelage.


    But.. That's just my 2 cents.
    I am also of the mind that there is simply nothing which could be done to make me like wukky. Any interaction from this point forward would just be forced and I don't think it would feel organic either
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    She got kidnapped off screen, presumably by BKJJ. You imagined she got kidnapped by a nobody and then you got mad at your imagination.
    Which actually doesn't make it any better.
    She gets kidnapped by Bakool Ja Ja and 30 minutes later beats him easily with a literal random shounen power up.
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