How not to be a mentor

[ZephyrMenodora]

To those claiming that FFLogs is illegal I'm afraid it's not. It's just a website that you can reference at anytime. How the information gets there however is illegal software. You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it. Same as the one for the marketboards.

It's a technicality for sure but it absolutely stands. People like a good witchhunt and fear mongering but you don't need to run 3rd party stuff to check these things.

I'm pretty sure using logs from a website that breaks the TOS and using that information against another player also breaks the TOS. How the info got there isn't relevant.

Good luck kicking someone in game and referencing the logs and seeing what happens.

[Asako]

I'm pretty sure using logs from a website that breaks the TOS and using that information against another player also breaks the TOS. How the info got there isn't relevant.

Good luck kicking someone in game and referencing the logs and seeing what happens.

Who is kicking someone for their logs? You kick them for being afk which you can see with your eyes. You are some pup I'll say that much, you grab any sort of straw you can to make a post. No one here mentioned kicking someone for their logs. I stated I'd kick someone for being AFK which is absolutely true no matter who you are. Obviously I'm not gonna turf someone instantly when they go AFK or barely hit buttons, I'll give them a chance but I'm not putting up with that for the entire dungeon / raid. As for the logs themselves we were merely referencing it to prove OP has been disengenious with their original post in order to play the victim which we are free to do as we don't need to use third party software to reference that public information.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Who is kicking someone for their logs? You kick them for being afk which you can see with your eyes. You are some pup I'll say that much, you grab any sort of straw you can to make a post. No one here mentioned kicking someone for their logs. I stated I'd kick someone for being AFK which is absolutely true no matter who you are. Obviously I'm not gonna turf someone instantly when they go AFK or barely hit buttons, I'll give them a chance but I'm not putting up with that for the entire dungeon / raid. As for the logs themselves we were merely referencing it to prove OP has been disengenious with their original post in order to play the victim which we are free to do as we don't need to use third party software to reference that public information.

You are suggesting that using the data on the logs is fine if you didn't cause the information to be there. Except using it in any way adverse to another player is not. "I didn't put the info on the website" isn't a defense if you say "Logs show she's AFK - kick".

[Asako]

You are suggesting that using the data on the logs is fine if you didn't cause the information to be there. Except using it in any way adverse to another player is not. "I didn't put the info on the website" isn't a defense if you say "Logs show she's AFK - kick".

Again, you're not listening at all. You are making up your own statements to also be disengenious, especially when I literally just stated the opposite in my previous post. Show me where I said I would kick someone for their logs being bad. If you would just take a second and read any of the previous posts, people are referencing the logs to dispute the disengenious claims that they started this thread with. The logs have nothing to do with anyones conduct in any instance, why you keep bringing this up I don't know. You're actively going out of your way to create your own arguements over things no one in this thread has said.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Again, you're not listening at all. You are making up your own statements to also be disengenious, especially when I literally just stated the opposite in my previous post. Show me where I said I would kick someone for their logs being bad. If you would just take a second and read any of the previous posts, people are referencing the logs to dispute the disengenious claims that they started this thread with. The logs have nothing to do with anyones conduct in any instance, why you keep bringing this up I don't know. You're actively going out of your way to create your own arguements over things no one in this thread has said.

You literally made a comment, not responding to anyone in particular, where you said "You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it." You then acted like there is this technicality/loophole.

Someone also brought up logs from a 24 man, and not the 4 person dungeon that OP was talking about. So the logs weren't even relevant to OP's story. I'm sure you can try to make inferences as to their behavior in the dungeon the OP was actually talking about, but there were no logs of that. The OP could have been truthful as far as DPSing in the dungeon at that time, who knows?

I'm also not going out of my way to create arguments. I just found your statement to be potentially misleading to some, since it seems to state that you can use the info in the website so long as you weren't the one running the program. Someone could interpret this to mean you can use the info in game - since that's the only place the logs would really matter because who really cares about what happens here on the forums.

If you only meant to say you can use logs to discredit people on the forums - then...probably? Since very little is moderated here. If they were consistent they wouldn't allow it here, either.

[Collin_Sky]

So the logs weren't even relevant to OP's story.

Absolutely not true. It speaks to OP's play style and mindset during content. Which is clearly to AFK and do as little as possible beyond healing.

The OP could have been truthful as far as DPSing in the dungeon at that time, who knows?

All the evidence we have indicates that OP does not, in fact, DPS. OP has contributed nothing to the contrary, therefore, the logical thing is to assume OP is misrepresenting this situation, which is an incredibly common thing to do online.

You can fuss and whine over where the evidence came from, but the simple fact is the website in question exists, is easy to reference, and is the best way to determine whether someone is being truthful about situations like this.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Absolutely not true. It speaks to OP's play style and mindset during content. Which is clearly to AFK and do as little as possible beyond healing.



All the evidence we have indicates that OP does not, in fact, DPS. OP has contributed nothing to the contrary, therefore, the logical thing is to assume OP is misrepresenting this situation, which is an incredibly common thing to do online.

You can fuss and whine over where the evidence came from, but the simple fact is the website in question exists, and is easy to reference.

OP hasn't commented at all since and has made 2 posts. Them not wanting to argue about someone throwing logs from another instance in their face means nothing. I already said you can try to make inferences, but the fact remains we have no logs from this particular story. They claimed they DPS, they don't need to repeat themselves.

I'm also not fussing and whining. I find the act of going to look up logs on someone to argue with them over a general point "be nice to people in instances/ don't badger other players" to just be childish in general. I already stated that even if OP was a terrible player - that does not give anyone the right to badger through an entire instance.

[Collin_Sky]

I'm also not fussing and whining.

100% are.

I find the act of going to look up logs on someone to argue with them over a general point

Finding evidence to understand a one-sided situation is literally the first thing you should do. Or are you one of those types that just believes what someone says, even if it sounds fishy?

that does not give anyone the right to badger through an entire instance.

Personally, if OP wasn't DPSing I'd have just vote dismissed them instead of bothering to interact with someone like that, as clearly OP thinks they're in the right due to how they worded their post. They also never said that it was through the entire instance, either.

[ZephyrMenodora]

100% are.

Finding evidence to understand a one-sided situation is literally the first thing you should do. Or are you one of those types that just believes what someone says, even if it sounds fishy?

Personally, if OP wasn't DPSing I'd have just vote dismissed them instead of bothering to interact with someone like that, as clearly OP thinks they're in the right due to how they worded their post.

First, going back and forth about my own state of mind when I type, as though you know anything at all, is nonsensical. I don't really care if your opinion is that I am "fussing and whining" when I'm just calmly typing, but whatever.

As to your second point, Nope - I don't feel the need to research every poster's background to discredit them over a forum post. I care about the greater issue they raised - how players treat one another - and the specifics of OP's story doesn't need to be verified to talk about that.

Even if everyone here just said "that sucks OP - hope the next dungeon goes better" why would that even matter? Even if she made up the entire story and she sat giggling that she sure fooled us all as she never DPSes - who cares? It's just dumb.

[Collin_Sky]

I care about the greater issue they raised - how players treat one another .

You're right, lying about how other players act and creating a general distrust for mentors doesn't matter

Thank god you're here to keep us focused on the really important things like *checks notes* asking a healer who provably doesn't DPS to DPS