How not to be a mentor

[ZephyrMenodora]

Of course not. Not even "regular" forum white knights are able to defend this without looking like absolute fools. You are basically the only one left at this point. You can draw your own conclusions as to what it makes you look like.

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

[Asako]

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

It's nothing of the sort. It's yet another forum post disrespecting mentors whilst proving nothing. Sure there are plenty of terrible mentors, but a lot of them are genuine and honestly try to help other players. OP came here to add to the mentor hate with no proof of anything yet looking validation on their antics.

You are correct that we also don't have the evidence of this certain incident, which is why when facing a situation like this you look to all available information on the people involved before making a decision. The evidence available that the not DPSing tracks with OP stlye of play which is why it was called out. I have yet to see any evidence to suggest that the mentor involved did anything wrong when he gave his advice. It's possible, no one here would dispute that, but without evidence you cannot say they are being mistreated because they don't like the feedback they are recieving.

No one here is looking to bully, mistreat or harrass anyone, it's that it's an mmo and you have to respect the time of all players involved. You can take them to the water but you can't make them drink it. If they don't want to take your advice and they want to waste peoples time by not making a reasonable effort, [again, no one is expecting everyone to be superstars] then the party should absolutely consider kicking said player if they just want to get on with it.

Giving feedback isn't mistreating someone, but going out of your way to post of the forums with hearsay and no evidence just to discredit a group of players to incite more hate is ridiculous and is why most people in this thread have called it out.

[Kohashi]

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

Is "she" your alt or something? I don't get it. You don't need a website, nor a log to sense something was amiss and stuff didn't add up. The log where it shows she did 0 dps confirmed the suspicions people had regarding the situation. Nobody is mistreating them over the log but for the fact they had the audacity to whine and play the victim while being deceitful.

Stop trying to be the noble white knight in shiny armor for a person like that.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Is "she" your alt or something? I don't get it. You don't need a website, nor a log to sense something was amiss and stuff didn't add up. The log where it shows she did 0 dps confirmed the suspicions people had regarding the situation. Nobody is mistreating them over the log but for the fact they had the audacity to whine and play the victim while being deceitful.

Stop trying to be the noble white knight in shiny armor for a person like that.

Don't be ridiculus. It doesn't have to be my alt to not be in support of badgering someone who plays poorly.

And despite being so unpopular at the tail end of this thread I reported the post that used FFLogs to disparage the OP, and it looks like the mods agreed with me and removed that post. So unlike everyone who disagreed with me, it turns out I was right - you can't use FFLogs to attack people on the forums.

[Kohashi]

Don't be ridiculus. It doesn't have to be my alt to not be in support of badgering someone who plays poorly.

And despite being so unpopular at the tail end of this thread I reported the post that used FFLogs to disparage the OP, and it looks like the mods agreed with me and removed that post. So unlike everyone who disagreed with me, it turns out I was right - you can't use FFLogs to attack people on the forums.

Nonsense...

Doing 0 damage is not just playing poorly it's abysmal. If you engage in group content at least pull your damn weight, don't be a deadbeat. Nobody expects to be perfect but that is far beyond playing poorly.

Let me guess you also engage in this type of gameplay? Sitting there, waiting for dmg to happen and when the dmg frequency is not enough, you come into the forums to cry about how boring healers are. It all makes sense..

pffft..

[ZephyrMenodora]

Nonsense...

Doing 0 damage is not just playing poorly it's abysmal. If you engage in group content at least pull your damn weight, don't be a deadbeat. Nobody expects to be perfect but that is far beyond playing poorly.

Let me guess you also engage in this type of gameplay? Sitting there, waiting for dmg to happen and when the dmg frequency is not enough, you come into the forums to cry about how boring healers are. It all makes sense..

pffft..

I'm not arguing that she played well. I'm arguing you can't badger someone for playing bad. It's not hard to understand.

And no, I do not. I'd be bored. You are being ridiculous just because I don't agree with you. But much like being wrong about a loophole to use FFLogs to attack people on the forums, you can also be wrong to think it's my alt, and also be wrong that I never DPS as a healer. Have at it if it makes you feel better.

You can play well and have empathy for those who do not.

[Asako]

I'm not arguing that she played well. I'm arguing you can't badger someone for playing bad. It's not hard to understand.

And no, I do not. I'd be bored. You are being ridiculous just because I don't agree with you. But much like being wrong about a loophole to use FFLogs to attack people on the forums, you can also be wrong to think it's my alt, and also be wrong that I never DPS as a healer. Have at it if it makes you feel better.

You can play well and have empathy for those who do not.

You simply do not listen at all. You're actually part of the problem. You swirve around the issue over and over again and make your own pretend scenarios to make yourself look better. You're being really childish about this too. No one here, at any point in this thread has attacked or insulted or demeaned anyone for playing poorly. This is your own narrative that you have made up, if you would like to show any of us where we attacked people for not playing well you are free to do so, the issue is you cannot, because it doesn't exist. FFlogs at no point in this thread was used to harass anyone, it was used as evidence in the defence of the mentor mentioned in the OP.

The issue is not, never has been or will be with people playing poorly. The problem is the OP created a hate thread to discredit a group of players in the community whilst having no proof, and at the same time evidence did emerge or the OPs playstyle negating any credibility that they might have had and have the audacity to play the victim. This is a hate thread issue. You claim to be such a nice person with 'empathy' yet you are actively defending someone who is blatently trying to stir hate. There is no defence for this. You are wrong in this scenario yet again but by all means proceed to misread everyones comments and make up your own fictional story of what you think we are discussing here.

[ZephyrMenodora]

You simply do not listen at all. You're actually part of the problem. You swirve around the issue over and over again and make your own pretend scenarios to make yourself look better. You're being really childish about this too. No one here, at any point in this thread has attacked or insulted or demeaned anyone for playing poorly. This is your own narrative that you have made up, if you would like to show any of us where we attacked people for not playing well you are free to do so, the issue is you cannot, because it doesn't exist. FFlogs at no point in this thread was used to harass anyone, it was used as evidence in the defence of the mentor mentioned in the OP.

The issue is not, never has been or will be with people playing poorly. The problem is the OP created a hate thread to discredit a group of players in the community whilst having no proof, and at the same time evidence did emerge or the OPs playstyle negating any credibility that they might have had and have the audacity to play the victim. This is a hate thread issue. You claim to be such a nice person with 'empathy' yet you are actively defending someone who is blatently trying to stir hate. There is no defence for this. You are wrong in this scenario yet again but by all means proceed to misread everyones comments and make up your own fictional story of what you think we are discussing here.

The other mentor wasn’t even named and no one even knows who it is. It was a venting thread, not a hate thread. That you even have the mentality to elevate this venting to hate makes me laugh. The Op did not claim all mentors were bad people. You seem to lack some level of reading comprehension and are hypocritically arguing against something she never said as you claim I do.

The very second post claimed she had a red flag for her gameplay: casting a heal spell in a dungeon. The whole point of going to FFlogs was to discredit her for saying she isn’t a heal bot. A post I’ll remind you again I reported and the mods removed because you were incorrect that you can use FFlogs here against another player. The logs show nothing about the attitude and behavior of this other unnamed mentor so they aren’t even relevant to what she’s complaining about. Even if the other mentor was justified in being annoyed, it doesn’t justify them badgering her and treating her poorly.

Your repeated attempts to belittle me, which did not go unnoticed though I held my tongue, now fall on death ears. Blocked.

[Kohashi]

I'm not arguing that she played well. I'm arguing you can't badger someone for playing bad. It's not hard to understand.

And no, I do not. I'd be bored. You are being ridiculous just because I don't agree with you. But much like being wrong about a loophole to use FFLogs to attack people on the forums, you can also be wrong to think it's my alt, and also be wrong that I never DPS as a healer. Have at it if it makes you feel better.

You can play well and have empathy for those who do not.

You are on something again, aren't you?

I didn't have to look at FFlogs to know she smelled like a healing bot, look at my original comment.

If Toxic Positivity had to put a picture next to it, you'd make a great candidate for it. People should be held accountable for their actions there is nothing more than that, especially when trying to stir up shit for no reason.