How not to be a mentor

[Supersnow845]

He probably said «your blessed experience» because you make it seem like you have never struggled as a healer ever. Have you never been in a party of either newbies or just incompetent people and it made you have to heal a lot?

Yes but not to the degree that’s being implied here

In the modern game if you understand your oGCD’s the most paper thin tank can be kept up with at most 2-3 adlo’s. If you are spending half your time casting adlo thats a problem with understanding of the job. We simply have too many heals relative to outgoing damage to need constant GCD healing even if the tank is useless

Like you have aetherflow, you have blessing and whispering dawn, you have seraph and seraphism, you have recitation and dissipation for more aetherflow, you have embrace and fey union, you have prepull shields, the output is simply ridiculous to the incoming damage

[ZephyrMenodora]

3) if I’m the one with the agenda why are you defending OP to the death that none of this advice is valid even as more information comes out that they may not be playing as well as they originally claimed to be

My response isn’t restricted to the OP - but the fact pattern they presented. If they lied that’s another issue but doesn’t change my main viewpoints as to how players should treat strangers they meet in roulettes.

I also never said none of rhe advice was valid. It probably was. But constantly berating a player, even if they are truly bad at the game, isn’t acceptable to me. Giving feedback and letting someone do with it what they will - so long as they are not preventing the dungeon from being completed - should be enough.

I don’t even know why anyone would even want to spend their energy nitpicking another player for their casts. It seems exhausting and most players simply don’t take this game that seriously. - because it is just that. A game.

As I said - all I do is pug and if I sat and complained about every bad player I’ve met I’d just be miserable half the time I play, and be miserable to be around. It’s not necessary. Especially when the person at the other end of thr screen is likely some casual just trying to enjoy some free time after a long day.

[Supersnow845]

My response isn’t restricted to the OP - but the fact pattern they presented. If they lied that’s another issue but doesn’t change my main viewpoints as to his players should treat strangers they meet in roulettes.

I also never said none of rhe advice was valid. It probably was. But constantly berating a player, even if they are truly bad at the game, isn’t acceptable to me. Giving feedback and letting someone do with it what they will - so long as they are not preventing the dungeon from being completed - should be enough.

I don’t even know why anyone would even want to spend their energy nitpicking another player for their casts. It seems exhausting and most players simply don’t take this game that seriously. - because it is just that. A game.

As I said - all I do is pug and if I sat and complained about every bad player I’ve met I’d just be miserable half the time I play, and be miserable to be around. It’s not necessary. Especially when the person at the other end of thr screen is likely some casual just trying to enjoy some free time after a long day.

I don’t bother to nitpick anyone else in game either, my point was simply that defending OP on here (not in game) if they are regularly getting this kind of feedback (which is implied by the fact that they posted about it) the easiest solution is to just fix the root cause and not ask for validation on the forums

[ZephyrMenodora]

I don’t bother to nitpick anyone else in game either, my point was simply that defending OP on here (not in game) if they are regularly getting this kind of feedback (which is implied by the fact that they posted about it) the easiest solution is to just fix the root cause and not ask for validation on the forums

In an ideal world, feedback would be taken to heart and every gamer due to us being gamers would want to improve. But if someone doesn’t want to - I’d just push through the roulette rather than make them feel bad for being bad. Most of the time I’ll drop a comment and if they won’t listen then oh well. I’ve been in some irritatingly long roulettes due to some of these issues but arguing usually makes them stop and type more and the run takes even longer.

[Yoshihara]

This entire thread highlights an unsolvable problem.

Let's sum up the events:
OP claims they were harassed by a mentor, with the intent to portray the mentor, even if not named, in a negative light.
Instance: Lvl 100 repeated casual content
Claim: "They were DPSing when they felt it was safe to do so, Mentor gave me a horrible experience by suggesting I wasn't"

Later on in thread:
Several players find evidence through illegal means that shouldn't be discussed or brought up publicly that the OP was lying, and has proof that they do in fact, do not press any DPS buttons whatsoever in lvl 100 content.
However this evidence despite being factual, should not be public knowledge

We are stuck with a dilemma here that consistently plagues the community:
Player comes on to forums to claim of a toxic experience that is a wild stretch of the truth and paints the community in a negative light, and lies about their account of what happened. In fact the OP has tagged this thread "mentor abuse".
We shouldn't have evidence that they lied, and the very fact that the evidence was brought up is toxic in itself, but it's there and it exists, and the fact that evidence exists exonerates the anonymous mentor and damns the OP, but the fact the evidence exists and we're checking it because some of us are so used to stories like these being a fabrication of the truth is damning in itself.

[Ath192]

This entire thread highlights an unsolvable problem.

Let's sum up the events:
OP claims they were harassed by a mentor, with the intent to portray the mentor, even if not named, in a negative light.
Instance: Lvl 100 repeated casual content
Claim: "They were DPSing when they felt it was safe to do so, Mentor gave me a horrible experience by suggesting I wasn't"

Later on in thread:
Several players find evidence through illegal means that shouldn't be discussed or brought up publicly that the OP was lying, and has proof that they do in fact, do not press any DPS buttons whatsoever in lvl 100 content.
However this evidence despite being factual, should not be public knowledge

We are stuck with a dilemma here that consistently plagues the community:
Player comes on to forums to claim of a toxic experience that is a wild stretch of the truth and paints the community in a negative light, and lies about their account of what happened. In fact the OP has tagged this thread "mentor abuse".
We shouldn't have evidence that they lied, and the very fact that the evidence was brought up is toxic in itself, but it's there and it exists, and the fact that evidence exists exonerates the anonymous mentor and damns the OP, but the fact the evidence exists and we're checking it because some of us are so used to stories like these being a fabrication of the truth is damning in itself.

Illegal doesn't mean evil. You cannot legalize morality. OP is in the wrong, the people who used illegal tools to find the truth is not damning or bad. Truth isn't bad. The moment people start believing this because it's illegal or whatever we are doomed as a society. It may be illegal, but morality wise the OP failed.

They made a false accusation towards a Mentor who by all visible evidence exposed here was correct to offer advice and help. Until evidence the mentor phrased this in an insulting or rude manner the truth we at least have, and know, was that he was genuinely trying to help.

[Kohashi]

A skill issue you may have no control over, such as the quality of your tank. And DPS I suppose, if they are very slow and don't burst things down quickly.

I highly doubt that was the case otherwise the entire discussion wouldn't exist. I usually play DPS and healer in expert dungeons and while I do heal, it's not like I stay there spamming it. There are very rare occasions when there is an inexperienced or badly geared tank that requires babysitting.

EDIT: Never mind... I just saw they did 0 damage. I don't think I ever saw anyone doing 0 dps, not even a damn dot. The audacity to play the victim.

[Archeron]

Honestly the people who complain about Mentors, or complain in general about other people in Novice Network need to learn a little self reflection, because nine times out of ten, they're the problem, not everyone else. 99% of my duties go off without anyone saying a word beyond "Hello" and "Thanks for the party". When someone does rarely speak up, I don't take their criticism as an insult, or a personal attack. If they genuinely are being offensive about it, sometimes saying nothing or just outright vote dismissing them would solve a hell of a lot of problems, without stirring up drama. But apparently this community can't act maturely even if everyones lives depended on it, and we need to seek the validation of other people to feel better about our petty drama incident(s), or to feel better because we're insecure about our performance in a random casual roulette duty.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

On one hand, I’d agree to not pester strangers with unsolicited advices, if it happened at all. On the other hand, playing the victim by creating a false narrative?

Yikes. Please do better.

[Saraide]

You could smell the truth from a mile away here but dear lord, it's even worse than that. OP is a mentor btw. We really do need clearing of a current EX trial as mentor requirement atleast at this point.