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    Archeron's Avatar
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    Edwin Vancleef
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    Golem
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    Ninja Lv 97
    OP hasn't commented since because they've made a fool out of themselves.

    They've provided no evidence of a mentor having said or done anything toxic to them. In lieu of literally ANY evidence from either the mysterious mentor or OP all that anyone can do is draw conclusions based on recorded logs of their gameplay. From those logs it's quite obvious that they're not doing "Something" right. Doing 0 DPS? That makes you a healbot. I'd say this puts you on the same level as the Garrison healers but even they're capable of using DPS abilities when there is nothing to heal. It's only natural a Mentor would notice this behaviour, and actually do their job by providing advice, which gets taken as a personal insult and framed as "Mentor Toxicity!" in all likeliness. I'm tired of these attitudes, and I'm tired of hearing these exagerated stories constantly both on the forums, and in Novice Network chats. If you want to be a heal bot and waste everyones time by doing the bare minimum expected of your role you should be playing with the duty support NPC's, and not wasting the time of the three other people you're playing with. If you have insecurities about playing your role incorrectly the resources are out there to learn, you can ask for advice in Novice Network, you can ask that dreaded toxic mentor for feedback even - But they make no active efforts to do so, because they don't care about the time of the other people they're playing with.
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    OP hasn't commented since because they've made a fool out of themselves[…]
    Or they’ve done what they wanted to do: baiting folks to argue at one another while they watch the world burn.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    If a run's going smoothly and we're moving along without noticeably long pauses, then I'm not going to care if the healer is dpsing or not. The dps are obviously doing their jobs. If someone in that situation was harping on dps and was typing more than fighting, they're probably the one I'd get annoyed with. A dungeon really isn't the time or place for extensive instruction. I've seen some mentors try to do that when the rest of us are just trying to get through the run, so there are some mentors who do need to pick their timing better.
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    If a run's going smoothly and we're moving along without noticeably long pauses, then I'm not going to care if the healer is dpsing or not. The dps are obviously doing their jobs. If someone in that situation was harping on dps and was typing more than fighting, they're probably the one I'd get annoyed with. A dungeon really isn't the time or place for extensive instruction. I've seen some mentors try to do that when the rest of us are just trying to get through the run, so there are some mentors who do need to pick their timing better.
    If one person isn’t doing half their job then by definition the run isn’t going smoothly
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Asako Natsume
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 100
    My issue with healers not DPSing isn't their DPS, it's the fact as a Tank main I can say that Tanks play with that in mind, our CD's are limited and we need to space them out, once they fall off and the mobs are still alive you just get dunked on making it much more difficult for the healers, that's what I try to explain to them. We're just trying to make the game easier for them.

    If they want my advice happy days, if not it doesn't really matter. If I die I die and we move on. I'm usually very positive about runs. It's only players that make zero effort that I don't have time for.
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Zodiark
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    Nothing wrong with it and also you only need to do spot healing in Expert Roulette, this faster the things die this better, if you focus too much on healing you would slow down the group severe, but again it depends on the tank, alot of paper tanks out there too.

    The focus in FFXIV is that every job regardless of being healer, tank, full time dps is DPS.

    DPS > Heal/Tank/off things.


    EDIT:

    I would also like to add that there is DPS jobs that do horrible as well meaning more heals will be needed on the trash pulls, due to they do not do AOE's and more more down those lines, so no one is safe for doing a bad job.
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    Last edited by Themarvin; 12-14-2024 at 07:46 PM.

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    Ren Koi
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Wow the tale of two mentors. One who suggests people play well, and one who plays like garbage and then whines on the forum. Just take the crown off Karen. You're embarrassing yourself.
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    Asako Natsume
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bitmoar View Post
    Wow the tale of two mentors. One who suggests people play well, and one who plays like garbage and then whines on the forum. Just take the crown off Karen. You're embarrassing yourself.
    She's not actually a Mentor, she's a crafting mentor. She only has 1 Job at 100. Scholar which by extension also gives Summoner. So her post has even less credibility. It's a bait thread looking for people to defend them and their toxic attitude.
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    General Praying
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    Midgardsormr
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    According to lalachievements, OP does not have the Unicorn, Amaro or Outrunner mount, so I'm a little confused here. Unless they are saying they are a crafting mentor?
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    Veya Akemi
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    Marilith
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralPraying View Post
    According to lalachievements, OP does not have the Unicorn, Amaro or Outrunner mount, so I'm a little confused here. Unless they are saying they are a crafting mentor?
    You can get get a Mentor without any of those being completely fair, you only need 3 Jobs at level 100 to qualify, and due to the SCH-SMN dichotomy, you only need to level two, SCH/SMN, and a Tank, to qualify for the Role Quests.

    No, the bigger red flag is that you can look OP's Lodestone page and see that they don't have a single Tank at 80 or higher, meaning they can't qualify at all for Battle Mentor at all.
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