How not to be a mentor

[Asako]

You are suggesting that using the data on the logs is fine if you didn't cause the information to be there. Except using it in any way adverse to another player is not. "I didn't put the info on the website" isn't a defense if you say "Logs show she's AFK - kick".

Again, you're not listening at all. You are making up your own statements to also be disengenious, especially when I literally just stated the opposite in my previous post. Show me where I said I would kick someone for their logs being bad. If you would just take a second and read any of the previous posts, people are referencing the logs to dispute the disengenious claims that they started this thread with. The logs have nothing to do with anyones conduct in any instance, why you keep bringing this up I don't know. You're actively going out of your way to create your own arguements over things no one in this thread has said.

[ZephyrMenodora]

100% are.

Finding evidence to understand a one-sided situation is literally the first thing you should do. Or are you one of those types that just believes what someone says, even if it sounds fishy?

Personally, if OP wasn't DPSing I'd have just vote dismissed them instead of bothering to interact with someone like that, as clearly OP thinks they're in the right due to how they worded their post.

First, going back and forth about my own state of mind when I type, as though you know anything at all, is nonsensical. I don't really care if your opinion is that I am "fussing and whining" when I'm just calmly typing, but whatever.

As to your second point, Nope - I don't feel the need to research every poster's background to discredit them over a forum post. I care about the greater issue they raised - how players treat one another - and the specifics of OP's story doesn't need to be verified to talk about that.

Even if everyone here just said "that sucks OP - hope the next dungeon goes better" why would that even matter? Even if she made up the entire story and she sat giggling that she sure fooled us all as she never DPSes - who cares? It's just dumb.

[Collin_Sky]

I care about the greater issue they raised - how players treat one another .

You're right, lying about how other players act and creating a general distrust for mentors doesn't matter

Thank god you're here to keep us focused on the really important things like *checks notes* asking a healer who provably doesn't DPS to DPS

[ZephyrMenodora]

You're right, lying about how other players act and creating a general distrust for mentors doesn't matter

Thank god you're here to keep us focused on the really important things like *checks notes* asking a healer who provably doesn't DPS to DPS

You're welcome.

[AllenThyl]

OP hasn't commented at all since and has made 2 posts.

Of course not. Not even "regular" forum white knights are able to defend this without looking like absolute fools. You are basically the only one left at this point. You can draw your own conclusions as to what it makes you look like.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Of course not. Not even "regular" forum white knights are able to defend this without looking like absolute fools. You are basically the only one left at this point. You can draw your own conclusions as to what it makes you look like.

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

[Asako]

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

It's nothing of the sort. It's yet another forum post disrespecting mentors whilst proving nothing. Sure there are plenty of terrible mentors, but a lot of them are genuine and honestly try to help other players. OP came here to add to the mentor hate with no proof of anything yet looking validation on their antics.

You are correct that we also don't have the evidence of this certain incident, which is why when facing a situation like this you look to all available information on the people involved before making a decision. The evidence available that the not DPSing tracks with OP stlye of play which is why it was called out. I have yet to see any evidence to suggest that the mentor involved did anything wrong when he gave his advice. It's possible, no one here would dispute that, but without evidence you cannot say they are being mistreated because they don't like the feedback they are recieving.

No one here is looking to bully, mistreat or harrass anyone, it's that it's an mmo and you have to respect the time of all players involved. You can take them to the water but you can't make them drink it. If they don't want to take your advice and they want to waste peoples time by not making a reasonable effort, [again, no one is expecting everyone to be superstars] then the party should absolutely consider kicking said player if they just want to get on with it.

Giving feedback isn't mistreating someone, but going out of your way to post of the forums with hearsay and no evidence just to discredit a group of players to incite more hate is ridiculous and is why most people in this thread have called it out.

[Kohashi]

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

Is "she" your alt or something? I don't get it. You don't need a website, nor a log to sense something was amiss and stuff didn't add up. The log where it shows she did 0 dps confirmed the suspicions people had regarding the situation. Nobody is mistreating them over the log but for the fact they had the audacity to whine and play the victim while being deceitful.

Stop trying to be the noble white knight in shiny armor for a person like that.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Is "she" your alt or something? I don't get it. You don't need a website, nor a log to sense something was amiss and stuff didn't add up. The log where it shows she did 0 dps confirmed the suspicions people had regarding the situation. Nobody is mistreating them over the log but for the fact they had the audacity to whine and play the victim while being deceitful.

Stop trying to be the noble white knight in shiny armor for a person like that.

Don't be ridiculus. It doesn't have to be my alt to not be in support of badgering someone who plays poorly.

And despite being so unpopular at the tail end of this thread I reported the post that used FFLogs to disparage the OP, and it looks like the mods agreed with me and removed that post. So unlike everyone who disagreed with me, it turns out I was right - you can't use FFLogs to attack people on the forums.

[Raraka]

The mentor is innocent untill proven guilty, OP has not shown any evidence other than their testimony

Case closed