How not to be a mentor

[SurrealSylph]

Not sure who needs to hear this, but badgering your healer and co-mentor about their choice of healing spells in an expert roulette is a crappy way to mentor.

Everything was going smoothly, but a fellow mentor felt it necessary to constantly criticize my choice of spells and was talking about dps loss. Even though, I was using a healing spell, not a dps spell, and was dpsing when I felt it was safe to do so.

Needless to say, it was an extremely unpleasant experience. Badgering other players let alone badgring them about non-issues is not a behavior mentors should be engaging in.

[hydralus]

The biggest red flag here is you're using healing spells in an expert dungeon.

[Larirawiel]

Sometimes you have to. I already saw too many paper tanks who lost 1/3 of their health per second.




Cheers

[Picothea]

As long as the mentor delivers their advice in a friendly manner, there's nothing wrong with telling someone how to improve. The "choice of healing spells" could be many things, like using Cure as White Mage, which is generally regarded as inefficient at any point where you could be using Cure II instead.
The "DPS loss" matters as well, regardless of whether your goal is to be casting a healing spell or not. By becoming more efficient at healing, you will grant yourself more time where it is safe to deal damage, thus saving time for your party and removing threats faster.

All that being said, I'm not excusing the mentor if they took on a hostile tone. That is not permitted under the game's rules.

[Jeeqbit]

This is the sort of experience you get in some novice networks as well. I remember many occasions where a new player asks a question (they are just starting Sastasha) and there's always that mentor that will explain a level 100 raid opener to them when they literally have 3 buttons at their level. So the information overwhelms them and they learn nothing.

There is also a prevalent mindset among a lot of players and mentors that they need to "teach" people how to play "correctly" in dungeons.

The reality is that a complete stranger "teaching" you things in a dungeon usually comes across as "blurting it out rudely" and is likely to be interpreted as an insult. People often go into dungeons with the assumption other players want to bite, so this first impression confirms their bias that you are rude and want to bite like they assumed.

It's also not necessary to play perfectly or optimally in a dungeon, and not really worth even trying to make that the case if it isn't. Some parties will melt bosses and some won't and that's the beauty of a dungeon.

The people who try to teach everything in a dungeon often don't see the forest through the trees. A lot of sprouts are actually in FCs, discords or novice networks and are actively asking questions about the game to people they actually know and trust. Thus they will learn these things eventually if they desire to.

What you described seems like it may potentially be reportable, by the way. They often action people who are rude or badger you like this.

As regards the specific scenario, you usually don't need many if any heals in an expert roulette due to an overly generous ilvl sync but may depend on the tank and their gear. As the memes go, a Warrior or Paladin can do a giant pull in expert without a healer at all and survive it, or flat out heal their party if the healer dies during a boss fight. Because of this you can settle for pure ability heals between attacks in expert unless something goes extreme wrong involving double digit HP, deaths, vulns, DoTs, etc. I'm pretty sure a healer wasn't healing me the other day in the latest expert dungeon and had to use my CDs well to cope in some parts, but healers got free abilities that don't impact damage like Whispering Dawn, Aetherpact, Fey Blessing, Seraph or Aetherflow heals (may as well use these in AoE situations anyways).

But as I said, it does not matter in a dungeon and personally I just go through the dungeon as a Warrior regardless of if a healer is using lots of heals on me or not. No point badgering people about stuff. Should just let them have their fun, however they want to have it.

[Asari5]

sounds like a story for 'tales from duty finder'

[Kohashi]

Need more context and both sides of the story because sounds a bit sus for an expert dungeon. Just don't be a healing bot, the faster mobs die, the less you have to heal.

[Nero-Voidstails]

like some said depend on the spell you use but also did the tank use mitigation? what tank and so on because I once got blamed for not DPSing enough and the mentor was a DPS and I just said one thing.

if the tank would mitigate it would be easier to DPS.

but again no matter what you play for your fun and you play the way you want no one can change that no matter what people say efficient or not you play a multiplayer game for sure but so are they

[Raraka]

Need more context and both sides of the story because sounds a bit sus for an expert dungeon. Just don't be a healing bot, the faster mobs die, the less you have to heal.

My guess would be one of those:

Ast: Suggestion among the lines of using Synastry first would allow them to reduce healing gcds, and keep up dps
Whm: They were using cure 2/medica 2 over lily spells, could be building for the blood lily
Sch: They were Adlo spamming instead of using the fairy tentacle plus soil, and, well any oGCD to keep using art of war
Sage: They were spamming eukrasian diagnosis instead of using haima and taurochole/kerachole

Any of those should be enough to keep up a tank alive trough a big pull if the tank is half decently rotating their mitigation

Otherwise they could have just waved it off saying "Im a bit undergeared, I understand too". But yeah without the specifics of what the other person was saying, and the gear the tank was wearing, its hard to tell if OP is at fault here or not

[Kandraxx]

The Mentor thing simply doesn't work in the west like it does in Japan and that's not even counting all the people who have it on only for the crown to complement their bought Ultimate.