How not to be a mentor

[Supersnow845]

They didn't AFK and they did DPS. Learn to read.



No, just because someone gives you advice doesn't mean you have accept it and immediately do whatever a mentor tells you what to do. This isn't your static. This is a roulette. Not many people want to log in to watch some petty person watch every cast they do and criticize over and over in a dumb roulette. If the game is as easy as everyone states here, then who cares if you lose some healer DPS while meanwhile no one is dying because they are being healed and the Healer is still DPSing when they feel it's safe to do so.

It's fine if the mentor makes a point to help someone improve. Then...let it go. Stop bothering random people in roulettes. If they want your advice, fine. If not, let it go. These dungeons only take 15 minutes anyway. Do something better with your energy then be annoying.

You don’t have to listen to their advice. But if they are offering legit advice and you aren’t listening to it then you don’t get to also come to the forums and whine about mentors being mean to you

[Asako]

They didn't AFK and they did DPS. Learn to read.

No, no they did not, the evidence is there for you to look at yourself. They literally went an entire 24man raid with 0DPS or Chain Strategem uses.

[Picothea]

As long as the mentor delivers their advice in a friendly manner, there's nothing wrong with telling someone how to improve. The "choice of healing spells" could be many things, like using Cure as White Mage, which is generally regarded as inefficient at any point where you could be using Cure II instead.
The "DPS loss" matters as well, regardless of whether your goal is to be casting a healing spell or not. By becoming more efficient at healing, you will grant yourself more time where it is safe to deal damage, thus saving time for your party and removing threats faster.

All that being said, I'm not excusing the mentor if they took on a hostile tone. That is not permitted under the game's rules.

[Jeeqbit]

This is the sort of experience you get in some novice networks as well. I remember many occasions where a new player asks a question (they are just starting Sastasha) and there's always that mentor that will explain a level 100 raid opener to them when they literally have 3 buttons at their level. So the information overwhelms them and they learn nothing.

There is also a prevalent mindset among a lot of players and mentors that they need to "teach" people how to play "correctly" in dungeons.

The reality is that a complete stranger "teaching" you things in a dungeon usually comes across as "blurting it out rudely" and is likely to be interpreted as an insult. People often go into dungeons with the assumption other players want to bite, so this first impression confirms their bias that you are rude and want to bite like they assumed.

It's also not necessary to play perfectly or optimally in a dungeon, and not really worth even trying to make that the case if it isn't. Some parties will melt bosses and some won't and that's the beauty of a dungeon.

The people who try to teach everything in a dungeon often don't see the forest through the trees. A lot of sprouts are actually in FCs, discords or novice networks and are actively asking questions about the game to people they actually know and trust. Thus they will learn these things eventually if they desire to.

What you described seems like it may potentially be reportable, by the way. They often action people who are rude or badger you like this.

As regards the specific scenario, you usually don't need many if any heals in an expert roulette due to an overly generous ilvl sync but may depend on the tank and their gear. As the memes go, a Warrior or Paladin can do a giant pull in expert without a healer at all and survive it, or flat out heal their party if the healer dies during a boss fight. Because of this you can settle for pure ability heals between attacks in expert unless something goes extreme wrong involving double digit HP, deaths, vulns, DoTs, etc. I'm pretty sure a healer wasn't healing me the other day in the latest expert dungeon and had to use my CDs well to cope in some parts, but healers got free abilities that don't impact damage like Whispering Dawn, Aetherpact, Fey Blessing, Seraph or Aetherflow heals (may as well use these in AoE situations anyways).

But as I said, it does not matter in a dungeon and personally I just go through the dungeon as a Warrior regardless of if a healer is using lots of heals on me or not. No point badgering people about stuff. Should just let them have their fun, however they want to have it.

[Asari5]

sounds like a story for 'tales from duty finder'

[Kohashi]

Need more context and both sides of the story because sounds a bit sus for an expert dungeon. Just don't be a healing bot, the faster mobs die, the less you have to heal.

[SurrealSylph]

It was yuweyawata field station and I was't being a healing bot. Not that any of that makes it ok to badger anyone, let alone another mentor, about what they use duriing w2w trash pulls when their primary healsing spells are on cooldown.

[ZephyrMenodora]

It was yuweyawata field station and I was't being a healing bot. Not that any of that makes it ok to badger anyone, let alone another mentor, about what they use duriing w2w trash pulls when their primary healsing spells are on cooldown.

You are correct. There is no reason for this.

If the mentor has decided they "need" to grace another player with their wisdom (eye-roll imminent), perhaps they should give advice once and then drop it. Their constant complaining probably made the run go even longer than if they just shut up and played.

[Kaurhz]

People need to calm down, if you were doing damage spells when you could then that's fine honestly, and frankly you're only as good with your healing as what the tank is with managing their mitigation. It's a problem that only applies in a vacuum. Regardless of this though, I wouldn't put too much thought in it. Some people just need to learn the subtle art of providing meaningful feedback. Not all feedback is meaningful.

It was yuweyawata field station and I was't being a healing bot. Not that any of that makes it ok to badger anyone, let alone another mentor, about what they use duriing w2w trash pulls when their primary healsing spells are on cooldown.

I can assure you, you are not required to justify or rationalize yourself to random forum users' skepticisms about what went wrong.

[Ath192]

It was yuweyawata field station and I was't being a healing bot. Not that any of that makes it ok to badger anyone, let alone another mentor, about what they use duriing w2w trash pulls when their primary healsing spells are on cooldown.

What exactly did they say. Because if you are offended they gave you good advice then you are the problem. Mentors are supposed to give advice, and fragile people unable to take any criticism is the reason barely any say anything.

You have to be specific about the exact phrasing they used and what they said, how do we know we aren't feeding your entitled ego of "no one can tell me anything" instead of being reasonable, only by posting receipts will we know if you are right or wrong/ Do not identify any players however.

I can assure you, you are not required to justify or rationalize yourself to random forum users' skepticisms about what went wrong.

And actually, they absolutely do need to justify and rationalize if they are going to put a title in their thread about how others should behave. People are allowed to question why they are being to told to do or not do something.