Just Nerf Picto

[Nasigno]

your squeaky hammer has destroyed millions

Maybe in the forums, not monsters or people actually doing the content lol

[Ascended_Demon]

your squeaky hammer has destroyed millions

Just you wait until we learn to render Julyan's frying pan, then it's over for everyone.

[Genbe197]

Lets just make every other castrer have the samew rotatrion as picto!!! It worked for tanks in the name of balance im sure the gtame wont suffer at all from it

[LibitIncarne]

1. Each fight, as the charts prove, has a meta of top DMG jobs, and a combination that is better than another. FRU has PCT ontop, Chaotic has Ninja on top, and Savage 1-4 rotates who is on top. Spoilers, PCT is only on-top on FRU. Everywhere else it is something else.

Sort by aDPS instead of rDPS. Scholar and NIN are 1k and 1.3k above the second highest in their roles for rDPS not because they're "overpowered" but because they have raid debuffs instead of raid buffs, the effects are essentially tripled. If there were other jobs that inflicted a debuff on the enemy instead of buffing the party (e.g. if Arcane Circle debuffed the enemy and the Reaper got boosts to Harvest Moon's potency dependent on how many players hit the debuffed target, or if Bard's songs counted as aoe debuffs instead of aoe buff effects, this would also allow 2 bards in the same team to combine their songs), they would similarly have an increase to their rDPS here.

[Nasigno]

Sort by aDPS instead of rDPS. Scholar and NIN are 1k and 1.3k above the second highest in their roles for rDPS not because they're "overpowered" but because they have raid debuffs instead of raid buffs, the effects are essentially tripled. If there were other jobs that inflicted a debuff on the enemy instead of buffing the party (e.g. if Arcane Circle debuffed the enemy and the Reaper got boosts to Harvest Moon's potency dependent on how many players hit the debuffed target, or if Bard's songs counted as aoe debuffs instead of aoe buff effects, this would also allow 2 bards in the same team to combine their songs), they would similarly have an increase to their rDPS here.

Now let me pre-face, the notion of nerfing Ninja and and Scholar was purely facetious, so I'll start with that. I do not think they need to be nerfed, but the notion again was the point of data is just being looked at and ignored. That could be a method to increase their viability towards being larger damage jobs. Granted I think it would make for some interesting problems in down-time between the boss being able to be target while buff was in play. Though I doubt most parties would do a double of any job just to the loss of Limit Break. Though it does make for an interesting view on the data to look over, but still holds the tune of PCT is not as vastly overpowered as it is being sold on.

The point was however to point out how ridiculous the notion of "nerf this job because of 1 encounter saying thing is overpowered" cause that is the same argument being had about FRU and PCT. Anywhere else it does not apply, same with Ninja and Chaotic Raid. I would feel the argument would be valid if that gap existed regardless of what content it was in, if PCT had a guaranteed lead in savage, ex, chaotic, and ultimate then it would be something of concern. Same with if any other job had that crown to the point of invalidating the benefit of another job in an encounter. Getting too hung up on what the top 1% are doing, when in reality the overwhelming majority will not produce that same result is what is causing this hair pulling.

So, no nerfs. Relax. Stop overthinking it and propagating the PF meta lockouts is my big point to throw at people here.

[dspguy]

SE has backed themselves into a corner with job balance. Since the time investment to level a job is so small (in relation to other MMOs), it isn't like it is hard for players to just jump on the PCT bandwagon. In other games, as jobs/classes became more powerful (or got nerfed), the time investment for players to level another job/class and gear it up was so great. It was possible that by the time a player had that OP job ready to use, the game would be patched to bring it back in-line.

That doesn't exist in FFXIV. Sure, to get a job to be BiS takes some time, but any job can be i720 immediately - which for PCT, is probably "good enough" while you finish gearing it up.

My wife just switched from SMN to PCT since it is so much stronger and all she needed was the weapon. And the difference is huge. The only option SE really has is to either bring other jobs up to PCT or leave it be.

[Nasigno]

SE has backed themselves into a corner with job balance. Since the time investment to level a job is so small (in relation to other MMOs), it isn't like it is hard for players to just jump on the PCT bandwagon. In other games, as jobs/classes became more powerful (or got nerfed), the time investment for players to level another job/class and gear it up was so great. It was possible that by the time a player had that OP job ready to use, the game would be patched to bring it back in-line.

That doesn't exist in FFXIV. Sure, to get a job to be BiS takes some time, but any job can be i720 immediately - which for PCT, is probably "good enough" while you finish gearing it up.

My wife just switched from SMN to PCT since it is so much stronger and all she needed was the weapon. And the difference is huge. The only option SE really has is to either bring other jobs up to PCT or leave it be.

SMN by far is the worst comparison job to put against PCT or BLM. It is the bottom of the pact. Of course it is going to be a sizable change. Switching to BLM would of generated the same results. It is what it is, Summoner is in the worst spot it has been in for a while. Even Red Mage would do better, so again putting the bottom of the rung job against the two top competing is not a good enough stance to stand on for "PCT needs a nerf" unless you are going to call for BLM to be nerfed as well.

[Nero-Voidstails]

This; power creep is a very real thing in this game and Squares insistence of buffing jobs to the level of the strongest job rather than balancing to a baseline that they've designed fights for is a big problem.

the problem is the job are nerfed/buffed according to harder fight when in reality the best would be the content being adapted around a job

[LibitIncarne]

so uhhhh, 4 picto FRU just happened https://x.com/takomi_82_96/status/1872903535735828526

[Infindox]

so uhhhh, 4 picto FRU just happened https://x.com/takomi_82_96/status/1872903535735828526

So the thing they tried to do with the limit break didn't even matter lol.