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    So tu sum up : i want everything now.

    Please be realistic... If CBU3 was capable and cared about healer, we wouldn't be in the present situation.
    So il will say it again : Fixing healing is the priority and must come first.... Except if you want to play GWXIV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    So tu sum up : i want everything now.

    Please be realistic... If CBU3 was capable and cared about healer, we wouldn't be in the present situation.
    So il will say it again : Fixing healing is the priority and must come first.... Except if you want to play GWXIV
    “I want everything now”

    I’m pretty sure 6 years is a reasonable amount of time to expect some manner of change at this point

    “Small incremental changes” should have happened in late ShB not still waiting for them in DT
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    “I want everything now”

    I’m pretty sure 6 years is a reasonable amount of time to expect some manner of change at this point

    “Small incremental changes” should have happened in late ShB not still waiting for them in DT
    Yeah definitely. The issue of not needing all the healing skills also exists ever since the oGCD-weaving-mudflation started, it's just not as destructive to basic gameplay on DPS or tanks as on healers. So it's not like they couldn't just have worked against it ever since Stormblood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    “I want everything now”

    I’m pretty sure 6 years is a reasonable amount of time to expect some manner of change at this point

    “Small incremental changes” should have happened in late ShB not still waiting for them in DT
    Can you stop only reading half of the post please. Seriously, you're saying in a more roundabout way the same thing as my second sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Can you stop only reading half of the post please. Seriously, you're saying in a more roundabout way the same thing as my second sentence.
    Your second sentence amounts to “yeah square enix is incompetent and doesn’t care about healing so if you want anything better focus on only one thing”

    Which just…….no. They had their chance to trickle out fixes 4 years ago and they decided to hit us with “please play ultimate”, at this point fix the whole lot or just delete healers, incremental begging has sent us backwards in the last 6 years

    I went through the whole “pretty pwease daddy yoshi p pwease fix just this won whittle bit of healers awound your busy schewule” in ShB and they responded by nuking healers relevancy within the party only one expansion after nuking their complexity.

    I’m done begging for scraps, I’d rather the healers crash and burn and drag the whole steaming pile of garbage down with them at this point
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 12-30-2024 at 06:53 PM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    What kind of healing are we even looking for anyways? Nigh constant GCD healing with little to no time to use our dps buttons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    What kind of healing are we even looking for anyways? Nigh constant GCD healing with little to no time to use our dps buttons?
    Personally, I'd love that.

    Make ~every fight have a random combination of:

    * Constant pulsing damage on the group that requires constant healer attention.
    * Every autoattack 1-2 non-tank targets (random) are also hit for 25%-40% (random) of their health.
    * Between each autoattack, a non-telegraphed line-AoE or circle AoE is shot into the room for 10%-25% of people's health (random).
    * All autoattacks cleave for a portion of their damage into everyone in a medium range from the boss, essentially always hitting melee DPS.

    Constant need for low~moderate healing, that'd quickly outpace even the overblown oGCD selections the current healers have (all the big hits happen on top, but are slightly reduced since people might be randomly at 60%-70% HP!), requiring a steady stream of small GCD based healing.

    Once we got that, shift some of the current oGCD timers into GCD stuff, even if the CD is kept, and ideally add ways the offensive abilities interact with these CDs or abilities (reduce CD, turn them oGCD, remove next mana cost, etc).

    I don't think I'd need any more damage if I had actual healing to do, tbh. I play healer because I want to heal, if I want to focus on doing damage I'd be playing a DPS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    Personally, I'd love that.
    YoshiP himself mentioned that's not what he wants healing to be during the EW media tour, though we don't know if that's still what he thinks.

    He also explains next in that clip that gearing up will reduce healing required, so it's inevitable that they'll end up with more healing downtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    YoshiP himself mentioned that's not what he wants healing to be
    I mean, the lead dev both not personally liking healing (clearly) and also (clearly) having little understanding of players who do sure explains a lot about the issues of the entire healer role in this game and their absolutely bonkers design that makes even the GW2 "Throw 240 skills at the wall and hope 5 stick so someone can make a spec from them"-approach sensible by comparison. Sigh.
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