Starlight Celebration 2024

[Ephremjlm]

I don't know what you found out, but...

2023: illuminated chocobos
2022: illuminated trees
2021: starlight mobile
2020: snow dusted tree + ice wall & loft
2019: wreaths and cake
2018: silver starlight Sentinel +donuts + mini snowman + opened boxes
2017: 2x food, mini starlight sentinel + wallpaper
2016: pillar, wallpaper, false snow
2015: starlight sentinel wall decorations

Oh no no no, MY BAD. There apparently was one in 2018............almost 7 years ago..........and it's another cash shop item.

I guess to answer your question what I found out was that this cash grab bs sucks, albeit I guess sucks slightly less with this insanely newfound discovery.

Good job mate, you got me.

[lucatracy]

Good riddance, if they refuse to update the companion system we shouldnt get ANY more bardings, including Ex ones.

You can say the same thing about way too many things in this game. If they refuse to update the glamour system and plates beyond bandaid fixes, then I guess we should stop getting glamour as well.

[Avoidy]

Gonna keep harping on this point because it grinds my gears. Why do we not get xmas trees, or others like it like presents or lights? The last time they gave us any of that stuff was 2015 and the one before was 2014. After that they haven't given us anymore and they are only on the store now. It's like blatantly trash. Same with the Halloween stuff. Like ffs at least make some of this craftable if its not going to come around every year. Like its an obvious cash grab. Pretty lame tbh. The only ones that you MIGHT find available are those who didn't use the items or had extras and now each piece individually goes for like 20mil on the market board.

Meanwhile in FFXI we got xmas trees every year and there were like 4 or 5 of them.

Im sorry but this one triggered me when I found out. Like for a game that says it caters to the ultra casuals they don't even give us proper holiday stuff lol.

Years might be off or whatever but the point still stands and it pisses me off too. Or they'll give us, like, an outdoor tree. Cool. Most of the community doesn't own a house and can't make use of outdoor furniture, but alright. Anyway, yeah, it's obvious why they do this and they're not gonna stop. It's grimy as hell. It's free2play levels of grime. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from like, maplestory in 2005 or something. We are all getting a worse game, so that they can monetize solutions. It's the MO of free to play games, but in a buy to play game with a subscription. And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

There are so many other examples of this, I could fill a book. Christmas trees and crappy event rewards are like the tip of the iceberg.

Another example of this is retainers. They enforce an arbitrary limit on the number of things you can sell, and have these weird middlemen NPCs as part of the market system, and then they monetize it by charging you for more of them. Or look at the leveling process. It's widely acknowledged that leveling a job is kind of a slog; you can queue dungeons, or run FATEs and that's kinda it. The dull formula has barely been addressed, probably because they would sell less job skips if they fixed it. The MSQ as well, or just the process of having a second character on the same account. By gatekeeping all the content behind an msq that is, frankly, a slog, they tempt players to buy story skips. What incentive is there to craft an engaging and interesting story when you earn money by making it so bad that people pay to skip it? These shouldn't be a product, but they are, and I think that says a lot. Hell, seasonal events are widely regarded as short and uneventful, but this game's been out for over 10 years and has a decade+ worth of seasonal events just sitting in a closet. Imagine if we had a Christmas event where we got the new one, but we also got every old one tossed at us at the same time, allowing people who didn't play in 2016 to go back and try it and get the old rewards. Sounds nice, right? Except they sell those old rewards in the cash shop, so there's a profit incentive to never give us anything nice like that.

Housing falls victim to this as well. We've had kind of a crappy system for years and there's no real incentive to remove the toxic auto-demo system and give us something better like instanced housing (even though island sanctuary proved that the tech is there and they totally can do just this) because there's a financial incentive to keep it bad. The current setup keeps disgruntled players subbed because they don't want to lose a home that's kept scarce by design. Glams fall victim too: They could create nice outfits with beautiful dye channels that make sense and then put them in the game, but since the cash shop exists there's a powerful financial incentive to just funnel the nicest items (or, maybe their idea of the nicest items) to that instead. So we got a dungeon with undyeable glams, and an alliance raid with gear that's honestly horrible looking imo, but a majestic flowing multi-part robe in the cash shop for 18 dollars. Hairstyles released in game lately have looked like an actual joke, between the butchered student-barbershop looking cuts to the weird attempt at curly hair, but I can't wait for them to release a onesie outfit with an actual nice hairstyle attached and then sell that for 18 dollars as well. And that's not even touching on how the shop itself suffers from the shop as well; mounts will be 40 dollars and then cite "account wide" as the reason, with no option to buy a cheaper version that isn't account wide. Why isn't there an option for this? For obvious reasons; players lose out on choice because there's a financial incentive to deprive them of it. Selling only account-wide mounts gives them "justification" to charge obscene rates, so they simply don't offer you a normal version of the same mount. I'd say it's like this for more multiseat mounts as well; we might have gotten more events and content in general giving out 2seater and 4seater and 8seater mounts, but there's a powerful monetary motivation to funnel that stuff to the shop, where they know they can charge the price of a used game for one. Meanwhile, outfits, which players would LOVE to have account wide versions of, conveniently never have this option -- for similar reasons. That option is taken from us, because there is a financial incentive to make outfits single-use in hopes that folks will rebuy the outfit on multiple characters. And they do.

I could go on and on but tl;dr our game is kept bad in a lot of ways so square can make money selling solutions to problems they created. For this reason, the cash shop should not exist in a game that is already buy to play+subscription. Their monetization system of "creating problems and selling solutions" is heavily reminiscent of some of the most rapacious f2p games I've experienced, and they have a content schedule that's about on par with a f2p game as well. All we're missing are gacha boxes and some of the nastier stuff affecting the actual game. Maybe in 8.0 they'll start arbitrarily limiting the number of roulettes you can run unless you buy a season pass, or mayyyyybe they'll finally begin selling savage/ultimate weapon skins in the shop and just call it a day.

And honestly? I wouldn't even mind, except it's evident that the money isn't going into the game's quality.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Oh no no no, MY BAD. There apparently was one in 2018............almost 7 years ago..........and it's another cash shop item.

I guess to answer your question what I found out was that this cash grab bs sucks, albeit I guess sucks slightly less with this insanely newfound discovery.

Good job mate, you got me.

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.
If you were doing something else... well not that someone cares.

Years might be off or whatever but the point still stands and it pisses me off too. Or they'll give us, like, an outdoor tree. Cool. Most of the community doesn't own a house and can't make use of outdoor furniture, but alright. Anyway, yeah, it's obvious why they do this and they're not gonna stop. It's grimy as hell. It's free2play levels of grime. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from like, maplestory in 2005 or something. We are all getting a worse game, so that they can monetize solutions. It's the MO of free to play games, but in a buy to play game with a subscription. And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".
WoW has a subscription: this year too in Ironforge there will be the same santa claus who will give the same useless gifts and you will be able to do the same quest for two christmas tree shaped daggers.
Other games with mixed are worse: HEAVY FARM or pay money (often with a RNG element)

Any method is driven by profit, therefore:


What do you prefer?

[-Kairi]

All I ever really care for is glamour for myself, not my Chocobo. I'll still get the barding but it is disappointing to see a lack of incentive for some of the seasonal events. That being said, I did enjoy the Halloween glam. :3

[Avoidy]

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.
If you were doing something else... well not that someone cares.



FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".
WoW has a subscription: this year too in Ironforge there will be the same santa claus who will give the same useless gifts and you will be able to do the same quest for two christmas tree shaped daggers.
Other games with mixed are worse: HEAVY FARM or pay money (often with a RNG element)

Any method is driven by profit, therefore:


What do you prefer?

I was actually replying to your original post but then I saw the edit. Guy you're talking to initially is upset about indoor trees, like the kind most people expect to decorate with during the holiday season. Outdoor trees can't be used by most people since they require a house with a front yard, but an indoor tree can be used by apartment owners as well. The last time an indoor tree was released was several years go.

The rest of your post, honestly my guy I don't care that other games are greedy as well. I don't play those games. I won't play this one soon either though; I removed my credit card from my account and after this month I'll be gone. "What do you prefer?" lmao, at this point I'm enjoying amateur-run private servers for games that dropped like 20 years ago. This game combines the worst of every monetization model except rng gacha-slop/season pass stuff (but who knows, the phone game's coming and we might see some of that rub off in the pc game) and you're out here celebrating because we're "better than wow," or because it "could be worse." Happy for you.

[Ephremjlm]

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. I'm pretty sure I specifically said a christmas tree. Why does external house items matter? Because if you were to poll people you'd see the MOST people in the game DON'T actually own a house, but instead an apartment, or a room in a fc.

Why would I ever care about holiday items that a small percentage of the player base can even use.

I think you need to worry about your own internal thought analysis before trying to get anyone else buddy.

[Ephremjlm]

Years might be off or whatever but the point still stands and it pisses me off too. Or they'll give us, like, an outdoor tree. Cool. Most of the community doesn't own a house and can't make use of outdoor furniture, but alright.

Lol looks like you said what I said before I said it XD

[Avoidy]

Lol looks like you said what I said before I said it XD

Yeah man, I have no idea why they keep giving us outdoor ones too. The front yard limitations are pitiful anyway; most people who could use it don't even have space for it.
It really just boils down to like, yeah, they could give us an indoor tree. But there's a financial incentive not to, so we haven't gotten an indoor tree in 7 years. That's it. And you'd hope you could get away from this kind of decision making in a b2p subscription game, but nope.

[Ephremjlm]

FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".

Isn't this counterintuitive to what Yoshi P. boasts about the game not having FOMO? Isn't it counteractive to what Yoshi P. says about telling you to go play other games and unsub?(not even going into housing) Isn't the holiday stuff being what our sub dollars apparently go to in terms of "constant updates", and isn't this the excuse that Yoshi P. gives when questioned where our sub dollars go and what constant content is being developed?

If you can't in good faith answer yes to any of these then your answers are BS because you can't have it both ways. And ngl its super annoying when people stoke the game like it can do no wrong when they are literally double dipping on selling us low effort content and subsidizing the costs on previous subs. If you can't see that and the reason why it's upsetting to people then maybe you need to touch grass.