Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
When the tank mistimes the tank LB...
Yeah, raids in general don't really fit well with the "hardcore character" design idea.

Even in WoW Classic, it's only really viable because

a) raiding is the actual END of the game: the big thing in Vanilla was the journey from 1 to 60 with raiding being basically add-on content for people afterwards, unlike the modern MMO paradigm where raiding is usually considered the main oeuvre and everything before it as an extended tutorial, a chore to complain to the devs for shortening, or heck, sometimes both. This puts it a significant degree closer to Diablo's idea

b) fiddly mechanics were quite a bit less common even at endgame. I seem to remember it wasn't really till BWL that anything not really "ordinary" was attempted (although that's already the beginning of the end of "HC" because of Vaelestrasz in particular). It works poorly with modern raiding because so much is now based on trial and error and fail it till you make it design (I have mulled this over a fair bit. Pretty sure it is in fact to increase the amount of time needed to clear because farm time is so abbreviated now with smaller groups and more generous loot)

c) it's not actually permadeath, as dead WoW HC characters instead are simply forced to make a (free) retirement transfer to a regular Classic Era server.