Request for HC characters

[EddardStark]

As title. Perhaps allow players who die in dungeons or trials to accept raises until the duty is complete or abandoned to avoid trouble for anyone else, then permanent delete, but maybe not even then? IDK, shooting from the hip on that one.

FFXIV limited overworld danger and homogenized many aspects of the game to the chagrin of some.

Allowing HC characters would

1. Present clear danger in even the oldest and mildest of content for those that wish it.

2. Birth and entirely new community, forge statics of another kind, bring a closeness and dependency on one another for those that reminisce fondly on FFXI and other 'more difficult' MMOs.

3. Revitalize older zones.

4. Perfect for duty assist and trust system.

5. Low resource allocation to implement (I think?)

Would love to hear what others think on this. Obligatory - I did not check for other posts of this kind admission.

[CVXIV]

The idea itself doesn't sound bad, though when it comes to the lore of the game I don't think we can die
Not at least with the blessing of light

[Kes13a]

never happen. SE is convinced we are stupid and babies... which is why everything is a cakewalk now.

they would NEVER implement perma death based on it would cause... stress.. and possibly even learning. which they go out of their way to avoid

[sindriiisgaming]

Okay for anybody Confused - hes basically asking for a hard core or Ultimate Mode challenge. This means if he dies his character gets deleted.

so, i will go over why HC iron man wont work in ffxiv and why there is still a way to simulate a harder experience

First why it wont work In this games combat system, your death is not dependant on you, but your healers. and with the ability for so much to go wrong out of your control, this Will just breed toxicity. So it need some level of forgiveness in team play. infact its prolly better of HC players were no matched for normal players to avoid toxicity in general

So what can SE do? Simple. They can implement a mode similar to that of free trail. NO trading on MB, including selling. Everything must be obtained by you and crafted by you. No player requesting melds or repairs, no retainers. And already. you've made this game 100% more interactive and fun. you've brought life back to the overworld. kept older systems like leaves alive. made fate farming worthwhile for exp and even done away with Exp bloat.

[Kes13a]

First why it wont work In this games combat system, your death is not dependant on you, but your healers. and with the ability for so much to go wrong out of your control, this Will just breed toxicity. So it need some level of forgiveness in team play. infact its prolly better of HC players were no matched for normal players to avoid toxicity in general

nice that you were able to single out healers as the main cause of death. nothing to do with standing in bad spots, jumping off the edge or just being unskilled enough to do a combination of many things unrelated to healers.

and you talk about "toxic"? whats the view like from the cheap seats anyway?

[CVXIV]

nice that you were able to single out healers as the main cause of death. nothing to do with standing in bad spots, jumping off the edge or just being unskilled enough to do a combination of many things unrelated to healers.

and you talk about "toxic"? whats the view like from the cheap seats anyway?

You can still die even if you avoid every single AoE and do the mechanics flawlessly
If your healer dies, most, if not all DPS will be unable to sustain themselves for an extended period of time Your second wind will only do so much, your blood bath will only do so much

That doesn't even include the DPS that do not have that sort of sustainability - they will perish

[Kes13a]

You can still die even if you avoid every single AoE and do the mechanics flawlessly
If your healer dies, most, if not all DPS will be unable to sustain themselves for an extended period of time Your second wind will only do so much, your blood bath will only do so much

That doesn't even include the DPS that do not have that sort of sustainability - they will perish

of course you can die, you can die to many things.. what I was objecting to was this: "your death is not dependant on you, but your healers."

a problem in this game is that nobody has to learn anything. you can blame it all on healing. SE has turned the role into one tailor made for braindead 5 year olds... and then people are shocked when those are the only people seemingly still playing it.

[Burmecia]

Someone would have to do actual work to make this mode happen? OwO'
Mode which would be 99,99% played by trolls or few different sorts.
And even then even fewer people would invest in it than in Ultimates.

Why not just find some cosy survival game insread, op?

[Loggos]

SE will (most likely) never do this. As a(n imperfect but workable) work-around you could set that challenge for yourself and delete your character yourself when you lose. I don't mean this in a sarcastic/provocative way btw. I mean the same thing pen & paper players or challenge gamers do when they create their own sets of specific rules that they commit to.

[Karkarov]

You legit just suggested perma death in an mmo? No, the end. This is such a bad idea on so many surface level obvious ways it isn't even worth responding to almost. There are mmo's that have this, and they are beyond niche with extremely tiny player bases. There is a lot of reasons for that.

If SE wants "harder content" all they need to do is add optional modes for some content that force the minimum I level while maybe also adding extra or harder mechanics. Which they wont, because they tried harder content in Endwalker and no one played it.