Can anyone clearly explain "job homogenization" in this game?

[Supersnow845]

No this is what homogenization really is.
What you call Homogenization on FFXIV is just the Core Gameplay, the skeleton of a role.

It's just a base on which the Dev are expanding on it to create a new job. Ofc, their will feel a bit similar to the previous one but, in the end they are fairly different.

But, there is some truth : they didn't really put much thought in Tank and healer "expansion" of this Core while they worked more on DPS. (Well for Healer it's more laziness because they don't care at all about this role)

Does the “skeleton of the role” being made the same not count as homogenisation when the skeleton of the role didn’t used to be the same

That’s basically saying “yeah they massively homogenised the jobs 6 years ago but since then they haven’t homogenised them further” which is still wrong anyway

[Lorika]

Does the “skeleton of the role” being made the same not count as homogenisation when the skeleton of the role didn’t used to be the same

That’s basically saying “yeah they massively homogenised the jobs 6 years ago but since then they haven’t homogenised them further” which is still wrong anyway

Seriously, you are just playing on semantic just for inserting your bad faith in it.

It's like saying that two different car models are indentical just because they share the same frame : that's stupid and wrong.

[Supersnow845]

Seriously, you are just playing on semantic just for inserting your bad faith in it.

It's like saying that two different car models are indentical just because they share the same frame : that's stupid and wrong.

(Nobody said they were identical, they said they were homogenised) Except they didn’t originally share the same frame

If you have a Toyota frame and a Honda frame then Honda decides to buy Toyota’s frame and use it in all future models

Then come along 5 years later and go “they are the same frame they were never made more similar” ignoring the fact that they became more similar 5 years ago

SCH and WHM weren’t originally the same baseline design, now they are, just because they have a bit of fluff here and there doesn’t mean they weren’t shifted to be massively more similar to each other a few years ago. And they are just one example

[Lorika]

(Nobody said they were identical, they said they were homogenised) Except they didn’t originally share the same frame

If you have a Toyota frame and a Honda frame then Honda decides to buy Toyota’s frame and use it in all future models

Then come along 5 years later and go “they are the same frame they were never made more similar” ignoring the fact that they became more similar 5 years ago

SCH and WHM weren’t originally the same baseline design, now they are, just because they have a bit of fluff here and there doesn’t mean they weren’t shifted to be massively more similar to each other a few years ago. And they are just one example

No this is what homogenization really is.
What you call Homogenization on FFXIV is just the Core Gameplay, the skeleton of a role.

It's just a base on which the Dev are expanding on it to create a new job. Ofc, their will feel a bit similar to the previous one but, in the end they are fairly different.

But, there is some truth : they didn't really put much thought in Tank and healer "expansion" of this Core while they worked more on DPS. (Well for Healer it's more laziness because they don't care at all about this role)

Seriously /sigh

[Supersnow845]

Seriously /sigh

Doesn’t even know that homogenisation doesn’t mean identical but acts exasperated as if they are the smartest in the room

I used SCH and WHM as an example

Would you prefer I point out that BLM was a sustained damage dealer, SMN was a DOT’er and RDM was a builder spender and now they are 3 shades of a builder spender. Or how VPR and RPR are functionally the same class or how MNK’s ramping nature was removed to make it a builder spender

[Valence]

Wait, if VPR is a variant of RPR, and RPR is a melee variant of MCH, does this mean VPR is a melee variant of MCH? Oshi-

[Carighan]

Wait, if VPR is a variant of RPR, and RPR is a melee variant of MCH, does this mean VPR is a melee variant of MCH? Oshi-

Yeah but it gets super weird because it's a variant of a version of MCH that no longer exists if we're being pedantic.

[Carighan]

It's like saying that two different car models are indentical just because they share the same frame : that's stupid and wrong.

And yet that argument is constantly brought up in car reviews since so many cards genuinely share the entire inner workings as for economical reasons the car makers (who are all owned by a handful of groups) share all those components, the difference being entirely in the bodywork, the visual design and what level of premiumness they are willing to sell you in specs (usually you intentionally want to not compete with one another, but sometimes you actually do!).

So yeah... that's actually a good example of the same type of homogenization we have here, yes!