Just Delete Picto Please

[Realfoxy]

You basically agreed with the person you replied to

I know you are a BLM main mao and the modern fight design just hates what BLM is but loves what PCT is. This reveals flaws on both sides. The fight design is too narrow in its scope but the modern jobs sans PCT are too rigid and their only solution to them not fitting properly into the modern design is fundamentally altering them

I don't know why I keep seeing this take. EW BLM could handle Endwalker fight just fine, with only one possible exception (TOP P6).

DT BLM as much as I hate it, has enough more than enough movement to handle the DT fights now that we've gotten Ice Paradox back. Anyone saying otherwise just needs to practice their casting fundamentals.

The state of BLM has absolutely nothing to do with how overpowered PCT is right now. I really don't get all these complaints about the """fundamental design""" of PCT. Just remove some damage from the class, maybe turn the starry raid buff into a personal buff. Boom, job fixed. SE I'm offering you this advice for free.

[Supersnow845]

I don't know why I keep seeing this take. EW BLM could handle Endwalker fight just fine, with only one possible exception (TOP P6).

DT BLM as much as I hate it, has enough more than enough movement to handle the DT fights now that we've gotten Ice Paradox back. Anyone saying otherwise just needs to practice their casting fundamentals.

The state of BLM has absolutely nothing to do with how overpowered PCT is right now. I really don't get all these complaints about the """fundamental design""" of PCT. Just remove some damage from the class, maybe turn the starry raid buff into a personal buff. Boom, job fixed. SE I'm offering you this advice for free.

Because EW BLM really isn’t what BLM is either when you look at the history and progression of the job

If you are using non standard to make close to half your casts instant why do we even have a caster role at this point

This links into a wider problem with the fact that the only fight design square has made since SB being one that actively hostile to casters and as such they make them cast less as a compensation mechanism. BLM also has the added problem of every mechanic they add to it makes it burstier and burstier

The sustained turret is dead at this point, since the flare change per 2 minutes PCT spends more time casting than BLM and the least mobile class in the game is SCH

[MrJPtheAssassin]

I don't know why I keep seeing this take. EW BLM could handle Endwalker fight just fine, with only one possible exception (TOP P6).

DT BLM as much as I hate it, has enough more than enough movement to handle the DT fights now that we've gotten Ice Paradox back. Anyone saying otherwise just needs to practice their casting fundamentals.

The state of BLM has absolutely nothing to do with how overpowered PCT is right now. I really don't get all these complaints about the """fundamental design""" of PCT. Just remove some damage from the class, maybe turn the starry raid buff into a personal buff. Boom, job fixed. SE I'm offering you this advice for free.

Personity I wont mind PCT just becoming a selfish dps job like blm. Make Starry into a personal buff like you said, remove the team shielding from Tempera Grassa and just have it as person shield, and remove the heal off Star Prism. Melee now has two selfish dps with vpr and sam so I don't see an issue with caster having two selfless dps as well. The casters then would have some what a balance with two selfless high damaging jobs and two support jobs. Honestly I be ok with this since it would allow pct to keep its rotation and most of its dps(it still needs a slight nerf but making a selfish would mean you only need to nerf it a little while also buffing BLM).

[Lyth]

Mao disagrees. What PCTs show is how narrowly focussed game has become on boss fight design. When all boss fights become DDR, it should not be surprisings that a job designed SPECIFICALLY for DDR fights would excel.

The sad part is that even if you defy the odds and do DDR on BLM, you're still less effective than PCT, which is essentially an upgraded SMN that ignores rules around burst. I'm sure the justification is going to be something along the lines of 'but look at how many people like PCT!' when it really should be 'but look at all those longstanding players from other jobs who are just losing interest in the game.'

I wonder what the job design team is doing at this point. It seems like we're getting radio silence on this.

[Altera]

Instead of delete it, suspend it in the Aetherial Sea until we all get job rework in 8.0. PCT clearly isn't making things even battlefield with the current state of job designs and raid design xD. So let's keep Viper for Dawntrail and Emet Selch snap PCT on 8.0 launch date? Sound good compromise? XD

[Valmaxian]

Picto so OP it would dodge deletion with Smudge, paint itself into real life, use it’s free sprint to zoom to the dev offices, then beat them with a paintbrush

Right?? This made me lol hard.

Also, just watch, next expac Picto will be back - with KAITEN!! *flourishes paint brush for 50% DMG buff on next Madeen)

[Zakuyia]

Your right delete picto also can you delete every class from ff14 as well square. XD

[Rithy255]

It's time we actually deleted existing job design and rework from the ground up something is clearly not right about current design.

Picto stands out because its actually well designed and rewards people at the higher levels, almost like the job has a skill celling but isn't hard to pickup... I guess it does have some ultimate encounter issues but I feel this is more of a issue with in general class design.

[Lyth]

Picto stands out because its actually well designed

Anytime that a job is overpowered, this rhetoric gets used to defend why. This came up in tank balance for years when WAR players were defending their turf.

'Don't nerf X, it's actually well designed. Buff the other jobs into equality.' And coupled with a balance team that is afraid of giving offense through nerfs, you have a recipe for bad design.

[Rithy255]

Anytime that a job is overpowered, this rhetoric gets used to defend why. This came up in tank balance for years when WAR players were defending their turf.

'Don't nerf X, it's actually well designed. Buff the other jobs into equality.' And coupled with a balance team that is afraid of giving offense through nerfs, you have a recipe for bad design.

Difference is i never defended warrior as a good design. Infact ive complained about it's design for a long time, you do not understand that it can be true that Picto is overtuned but its design is also really good, while warrior is just bad.

I actually much preferred 6.0-6.2 Paladin to current, I do not defend jobs because one is overperforming,Pictomancer is actually a fun I defend fun designs and uniqueness.

I'm already not against small nerfs to how much it benefits from downtime but you got to be Really careful with not making Picto more closer to our current formular which encourages jobs to be designed very similar at the base level.

Please do not categories me with people who defend things that are overpowered because you think I just like jobs being overpowered, I don't even raid at a high end level and do not care about "meta" I play what I find fun thank you.