Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[Azurarok]

yes, because now I'm seeing posts on JP suggest giving BLM a weave window in all its casts and also raid buffs. This is just the exact same pattern I've been seeing with healers.
I would really like to know why once a thing is easy we just have to match everything up to that, and aren't ever allowed to go back once it happens. EN is no stranger to this sort of stuff either, given what I've seen regarding things like 1.5s glare/broil and no RNG AST.

I'd rather they remove the weave window from PCT's muses and subtractive palette to increase risks if they want it to hit as hard as it does. Even then it may still deserve nerfing/adjusting potencies

[Owyn_Addens]

What you are doing here is comparing a fight with no downtime to one with downtime and then making the logical connection that a flatter damage profile constitutes a nerf when there is high downtime. However while this is true it’s not the comparison being made. The comparison being made is between PCT as it’s designed right now and PCT if you moved muse potency to filler

Since you can use muses during downtime every muse you move into downtime gains you filler, if the filler is buffed at the expense of the muses you only gain because you gain filler by putting muses into downtime but you lose nothing to the lower muse potency because they were already being used in downtime

So if the filler was buffed at the expense of the muses the more downtime you have the stronger PCT gets relative to other classes because it’s uptime filler is relatively stronger than it is now but muse potency is still flat downtime gain because you aren’t “dropping filler” relative to the other classes if everyone is in downtime

This is correct. Put another way, you're not gaining muses during downtime because you were going to paint those muses anyway. What you actually gain is the spells that you can now cast during uptime instead of having to paint them.

To answer the thread's original question. I don't think Pictomancers need a nerf. I know they need a nerf.

[Altera]

That they havent nerfed PCT this many months after Devs selfadmission of it being severly overtuned, has made me geniuely hate this Job when seeing it constantly in groups as players are just abandoning BLM as there is zero benefits to bring a BLM who cannot buff a party. When PCT is used 68%, RDM 27% and SMN 4%. BLM symbol isnt even showing up on the page meaning its 0% So unless the devs are happy seeing a Job excluded from being picked. Nerf PCT / Buff BLM

They have to nerf PCT, as bringing BLM and all other Jobs to the proper power levels will just make Boss HP bloated and the Power Creep will become insane and Damage will need another Squish in 8.0

[mallleable]

A fast, and easy way to nerf PCT with out disrupting its rotation or play style too much would be to reduce Starry Muse from a 5% buff to a 3% buff. If that isn't enough, then look at reducing the potency on skills like Rainbow Drip, and Star Prism.

[Ggwppino]

That they havent nerfed PCT this many months after Devs selfadmission of it being severly overtuned, has made me geniuely hate this Job when seeing it constantly in groups as players are just abandoning BLM as there is zero benefits to bring a BLM who cannot buff a party.

Aridaje. The damage buff is just another stupid way to do damage. Either you do it yourself, or you distribute it to the party, that's always the damage.
The blm is second in rdps in the savages, even without the "buff".

The PCT should be stripped of Tempera grassa and the Star Prism heal. There's no point in him having these things, it's these little things that actually make him privileged: you take them away and still it's a pretty fair and fun class to play anyway.

[Tigore]

Yeah. PCT does needs a nerf still from the looks of it. BLM looks like it is in a better position if you ignore PCT's placement. If they still need a buff, I would have suggested they revert the 1% nerf they did to Enochian. BLM certainly does NOT need extra weaves and raid buffs now since the instant cast Despair seems to be working.

I touched upon class placements for what I think the class' aDPS / cDPS could be before (if I got the right terms for personal DPS), but I wonder if it still needs to be spelled out for Square to see. Positions 3 and 4 are more harder to discern since those ones involve more "inconsistent" raid buffs or defensive raid buffs. SAM has their own tier in 2 since they do provide decent self healing for themselves from Tengetsu. This would only affect the healers' choice of possibly not using something like Tetragrammaton or Essential Dignity on them occasionally. AoE heal choices would remain the same.

Another thing to note is the balancing would be different and overall more close for everyone at lower levels of 50. Since most of the raid buffs are locked at that point.

Edit: Even though I weigh the 5% raid damage buffs higher than a Raise, the argument there is irrelevant if both the DPS with a Raise also have the 5% damage buff. I rewrote RDM's position to include their Embolden utility. RPR is the odd one with a weaker 3% raid damage increase buff and could justify them being higher up the list for personal DPS. NIN vs. PCT I am thinking will favor NIN very slightly. Since NIN's damage increase utility is a debuff that can only apply to one target. In most cases for Savage, it doesn't make much difference, but there may be a few fights with multiple targets. PCT even has cleave effects on some of their burst and Holy in the White too.

#1: BLM, VPR
#2: SAM
#3: MNK, MCH
#4: DRG, RPR
#5: NIN, PCT, RDM, SMN
#6: BRD, DNC
#7: GNB, DRK, WHM, SGE
#8: PLD, WAR, SCH, AST

[Zarkovitch]

Just overbuff the others jobs making feel picto is B tier caster. Here, balance fix. Sure it will make balance goes crazy. But guess what, it's already bad so why not do it.

[HyperiusUltima]

That they havent nerfed PCT this many months after Devs selfadmission of it being severly overtuned, has made me geniuely hate this Job when seeing it constantly in groups as players are just abandoning BLM as there is zero benefits to bring a BLM who cannot buff a party. When PCT is used 68%, RDM 27% and SMN 4%. BLM symbol isnt even showing up on the page meaning its 0% So unless the devs are happy seeing a Job excluded from being picked. Nerf PCT / Buff BLM

They have to nerf PCT, as bringing BLM and all other Jobs to the proper power levels will just make Boss HP bloated and the Power Creep will become insane and Damage will need another Squish in 8.0

Mind that these are with World First groups, and people are still progging FRU. The reason why BLM is left alone is because people don't prog on BLM. They have to find the spots they can sit and cast at then practice on BLM.

[RezRanger]

You'll never see BLM prog or not. Losing PCT is losing a major chunk of damage and you are risking a clear. This is the state of this game now. If you don't run PCT, you run a higher risk of not getting that clear.

[Supersnow845]

It should be noted that ultimate balance itself is not really a good way of looking at the PCT problem because there is functionally no way you can balance PCT in ultimates without completely destroying its design. It’s also why every ultimate always biases NIN and SCH and why they would bias WHM if AST wasn’t so cooked since DT

Every class is designed around full uptime savage but some jobs are built entirely around gauge generation and others around CD’s. CD jobs are always going to be preferred in ultimates because they aren’t affected by downtime. PCT and WHM have the extra advantage of being able to turn downtime into uptime but that’s a core facet of their jobs, you can’t fix that without completely gutting the job.

So something like “change starry from 5% to 3%” will bring it down in savage (not saying this is a bad thing) but it won’t change its dominance in ultimate