Another World First Clear got disqualified due to "Cheating"

[ForteNightshade]

Right... it "doesn't matter" and yet people still rush to get on these leaderboards by any means necessary or just generally brag about their accomplishments while acting like they're highly skilled, or accusing the game of being "too easy", or constantly claiming "casuals are ruining the game" for the rest of them. I have the spine to admit I'm not that great at the game, but at least I don't cheat to make up for it, and now I can rightly assume most of the people in the raid community are a joke and they're fine with that apparently.

So yeah, we better not hear one damn peep out of anyone (least of all the hardcore players) the next time Square-Enix simplifies another job or trivializes/holds back on hardcore content because clearly a bunch of people don't actually care to play it as intended, and anyone who claims that they're allegedly able, can't be trusted at their word because it's just that prevalent to use mods and nobody cares that it is ...sometimes the playerbase really is the one to blame for why things change the way that they do, and then they act upset when Square-Enix tries to accommodate them based on our own actions. That EW relic? Yeah, I don't think you could pin that one solely on casual players if you tried, given what we've seen of the hardcore as of late. They still want to be spoon-fed, they just to be seen as a big boy while it happens, lol.

They're rushing to be world first because that's literally the point of a race. None of them give a single outa about a leaderboard. Heck, a good portion of players at this level don't care about FFlogs at all beyond the invaluable information it provides. Or to put it bluntly, they don't about parsing. Which is the "leaderboard" equivalent. As for them supposedly bragging, can you name five teams who were racing? Or better yet, I'll give you Kindred for free. Name four of their eight players without looking it up. Generally, when you brag about something, you want to be in the spotlighted and your name known as a result. That's kind of the whole point. So either they are all downright terrible at bragging or you're just making stuff up as you go and lumping everyone together again.

Do some brag? Of course. People brag about having all their jobs at max level. Are we going to assume everyone does that though?

You're yet again vastly overestimating what these plugins can accomplish. You or I could install any one of them right now and we'd ne nowhere close to the level of play of groups like Kindred. That doesn't mean they should be used in a world race just so we're clear but you're trying to imply they can essentially carry inexperienced or downright bad players to top 50 success. It's absolute nonsense.

That EW relic? Yeah, I don't think you could pin that one solely on casual players if you tried

We most certainly can by your logic. After all, you've decided every raider is a dirty cheaters. Therefore, it's only fair to paint all casuals with that same brush as Aravell already outlined.

And before you point to the WF controversy. That is an example of one group cheating. Do others as well? Absolutely. Just like plenty of casual players love new SMN or AST while others despise them. It's almost like lumping everyone together is a bad way to argue.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Well of course it's easy enough to find out who was racing because you had a bunch of people making videos and posts about it, just pouring out congratulations up until they got caught, and sure enough you'll still find people giving uncertain praise to the ones who didn't get caught (yet). Don't try to pretend this is some "humble" little thing that the community doesn't make a big deal out of in certain circles, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it in the first damn place.

And apparently they CAN carry inexperienced and downright bad players because that's what Kindred is by relying on them to win, and you attributing any "level of play" to them is comical because I doubt there's a single video out there of them doing anything legit, same as the rest of these supposedly "skilled" groups, and I feel confident enough in calling out every single goddamn one of them, and the raiding community as a whole including other YouTubers and streamers that showcase their clears, because not a single damn one of them can prove they haven't cheated (even console players are finding ways), that's how bloody ingrained it is to the point you're making EXCUSES for them in this post instead of acknowledging the problem for what it is that even those who might be genuinely good at the game are dragged into the mud as well, to the extent they can't even trust those they play with because they might be doing the cheating instead.

This level of obsession goes beyond the talk of third-party in this game and into the levels of personal insecurities about your level of skill compared to others. Take a step back