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    Arguing that ultimate constitutes content when the major prevailing argument (which you fully understand) is a lack of CASUAL repeatable content is just arguing technically true semantics for the purpose of diluting the actual argument

    When raiders were understandably frustrated at the second ultimate of ShB being cancelled nobody argued “dungeons are content you can’t claim there is no content for raiders” because arguing pointless semantics benefits nobody
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    ^i do a lot higher than extreme but I agree with your overall point

    I’m just burnt out on savage and ultimate so I’m like a “temporary casual” because it’s been a while since I’ve had any interest in savage and up. But I have plenty of experience in it
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    ^i do a lot higher than extreme but I agree with your overall point

    I’m just burnt out on savage and ultimate so I’m like a “temporary casual” because it’s been a while since I’ve had any interest in savage and up. But I have plenty of experience in it
    Ah, apologies for the confusion! When I said "that person", I was referring to OMGJesuis66. I simply used your point to reiterate the issue. Will edit my post to make it more understandeable. Sorry again!
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    I can’t wait for square enix to cancel every future raid in the game and tell raiders “there’s always dungeons” because apparently the nature of the content is irrelevant, it’s purely the fact that there IS some measure of content

    Hell square could even save money by every patch adding a new achievement for 10,000 more fate completions than the last patch. Infinite content and zero input. Everyone is happy
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 11-28-2024 at 12:15 AM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I can’t wait for square enix to cancel every future raid in the game and tell raiders “there’s always dungeons” because apparently the nature of the content is irrelevant, it’s purely the fact that there IS some measure of content

    Hell square could even save money by every patch adding a new achievement for 10,000 more fate completions than the last patch. Infinite content and zero input. Everyone is happy
    ‘I actually like doing Levequests, so if you haven’t obtained that 10,000,000 Gil from leves achievement then how dare you complain about there being no content!!!’

    Or maybe different people value different things??? Lol. I’d have thought most people saying there is ‘no content’ are saying so with the implicit caveat of ‘that I personally value’, but apparently not. I mean, I like dressing my character up in cool glamours or decorating my house, but I’m not going to say that anyone who claims there’s no content is objectively wrong because they haven’t done the specific activities I undertook lol
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    Last edited by Connor; 11-28-2024 at 12:33 AM.

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    I don't know why people knock old content purely because it's not current.
    It could be something you enjoy, but you don't want to engage with it because.. why? The fact that it came out in a previous expansion?

    Granted I haven't read every reply, but so far that seems to be the main focus - that the content is old and thus not worth the time which is what I addressed in my initial post. It's why I find it difficult to recommend things to people.

    I don't even speak of an achievement hunting standpoint - for Eureka and Bozja in particular there are still quite a lot of people that do it. So engaging with that community might be fun and worth a shot and if you don't end up liking it then at least you tried it and know it's not for you.

    The original post was about spending more time in the game, and so suggestions were given - that's all that people can do if someone genuinely is looking for more things to do in the game.

    You can still criticize how the patches are handled as well, I think it would be nice if the content released quicker so that people had more to do. I'm not sure why it has to be taken to the extremes and that middle ground can't be found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I don't know why people knock old content purely because it's not current.
    It could be something you enjoy, but you don't want to engage with it because.. why? The fact that it came out in a previous expansion?

    Granted I haven't read every reply, but so far that seems to be the main focus - that the content is old and thus not worth the time which is what I addressed in my initial post. It's why I find it difficult to recommend things to people.

    I don't even speak of an achievement hunting standpoint - for Eureka and Bozja in particular there are still quite a lot of people that do it. So engaging with that community might be fun and worth a shot and if you don't end up liking it then at least you tried it and know it's not for you.

    The original post was about spending more time in the game, and so suggestions were given - that's all that people can do if someone genuinely is looking for more things to do in the game.

    You can still criticize how the patches are handled as well, I think it would be nice if the content released quicker so that people had more to do. I'm not sure why it has to be taken to the extremes and that middle ground can't be found.
    We aren’t knocking old content but there are two “qualifiers” on that statement

    1) A lot of us have already done that content when it was current. Not everyone is a fresh faced EW baby who has 10 years of backlog to do and is only avoiding eureka because their friends said it was bad

    2) an expansion that raises the level cap should have adequate content at the level cap for those that wish to engage with it at all levels; especially in a game that syncs your skills down. PCT is one of the best job syncs in the game and I still actively find the job way less fun before you get rainbow drip and the upgrade to starry muse that lets you generate flowers. I want to play more casual content as a PCT at level 100. Bozja while I adore it leaves you with its slightly wonky level 80 kit. AND PCT SYNCS WELL by most standards
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    We aren’t knocking old content but there are two “qualifiers” on that statement

    1) A lot of us have already done that content when it was current. Not everyone is a fresh faced EW baby who has 10 years of backlog to do and is only avoiding eureka because their friends said it was bad

    2) an expansion that raises the level cap should have adequate content at the level cap for those that wish to engage with it at all levels; especially in a game that syncs your skills down. PCT is one of the best job syncs in the game and I still actively find the job way less fun before you get rainbow drip and the upgrade to starry muse that lets you generate flowers. I want to play more casual content as a PCT at level 100. Bozja while I adore it leaves you with its slightly wonky level 80 kit. AND PCT SYNCS WELL by most standards
    That's a fair argument. I mostly meant my response to the few posts I've seen dismissing Eureka/Bozja purely because the content is old. I don't know what everyone here has done, including the original poster that I made my initial suggestions to.

    I also agree regarding how level syncing is handled, and that there are quite a few jobs that are pretty different depending on what level they are at. I couldn't imagine going into Eureka as a viper, for example. The game should have more content for people to play around with the new kits they have, especially when the developers add more jobs. I think the developers would really benefit from releasing new patches within a shorter timeframe than they have been.
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    There's not enough current content that makes use of our full lvl 100 kits. Old content loses it's lustre when the job gameplay gets worse and worse with every adjustment the devs make. Granted sub lvl 50 blm has always been brainless [as an example] but old content straight up feels worse to play now because it's just a reminder of how much better the jobs used to be.
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    Unless you engage in high-end content (Savage, or Ultimate) or actively farm achievements for the sake of achievement hunting / dopamine (which even then...?), the game really doesn't offer much in the way of longstanding goals when it backloads a lot of the longstanding content. Casual players for instance are waiting a good 1/1.5 year post-expansion before getting any actual content which has long-standing goals.

    Now I am not going to say this game doesn't have any content as it does, but what I am going to say, it is absolutely disgusting that a segment of the player base (and no small number by any measure) has to wait for well over a year before getting any long-term goals, e.g., relics, and I say this knowing the fact it is not just that subset of the community that is impacted by it.

    People should not be required to engage in certain content, but the developers should realistically be developing content equally across all spaces of the community. Currently, they are not doing this, and it is not healthy because they are constantly yoyoing between which segments of the player base they wanted to appease, with very little in regarding to having actual stability.
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