How do I spend more than 1 hour doing content in this game?

[Havenchild]

Yeah, I don't do Ultimates.
At best, Extremes. I do not have people to do it, nor clear Savage since I -- again -- do not have people to do it. Nor I do Party Finder.
Also, tbqh...

If I am forced to do the same thing, for 2 months, with no actual option of variety?
I should just be playing MOBA or an Online Shooter at this point, same vibe.

So basically when they release new current content, you choose not to do it anyway? And then claim there isn't content in the game?

icic.

[ovIm]

So basically when they release new current content, you choose not to do it anyway? And then claim there isn't content in the game?

icic.

On the chance that I sound like a broken record: not everyone is a raider, not everyone enjoys "this is a room with a boss" raids. Most combat content in this game is "this is a room with a boss" raids at this point. All meaningful, repeatable PVE combat content in Patch 7.1 (with the exception of the 24 man raid) is "this is a room with a boss" raids (Sphene Ex, FRU, Chaotic). And the 24 man is something that is only meaningful for a single run per week (possibly 2 if you are unlucky with drops).

FF14 used to have a wider variety of content to play that was not "this is a room with a boss" raids. People wanting that kind of content should not be met with "just play content you don't like", but with an appeal to Square Enix, asking "where is that content you promised?". Relic Grind should not release a year after expansion release, it should drop earlier either with a Field Operations instance or a Deep Dungeon.
Having a variety of different kinds of things to do in an MMORPG is a net positive for every player of this community, regardless of their own interest.

[Havenchild]

On the chance that I sound like a broken record: not everyone is a raider, not everyone enjoys "this is a room with a boss" raids. Most combat content in this game is "this is a room with a boss" raids at this point. All meaningful, repeatable PVE combat content in Patch 7.1 (with the exception of the 24 man raid) is "this is a room with a boss" raids (Sphene Ex, FRU, Chaotic). And the 24 man is something that is only meaningful for a single run per week (possibly 2 if you are unlucky with drops).

FF14 used to have a wider variety of content to play that was not "this is a room with a boss" raids. People wanting that kind of content should not be met with "just play content you don't like", but with an appeal to Square Enix, asking "where is that content you promised?". Relic Grind should not release a year after expansion release, it should drop earlier either with a Field Operations instance or a Deep Dungeon.
Having a variety of different kinds of things to do in an MMORPG is a net positive for every player of this community, regardless of their own interest.

Yeah I know it’s a shocker that people don’t wanna learn a fight for over 3 months with completely random people in pf and rather wanna do content they can do farm as solo while they relax. Imagine actually having fun stuff to farm in this game and not farm the same dungeons over and over again for a gatekeeping cap that should be increased 8 weeks ago and the same with savage lookouts.

Like by all means I’m not a “casual” but I can understand the need for some fun and rewarding content that has longevity

So basically, ya'll prove my original point of the game DOES IN FACT get content, people just choose not to engage with it and then complain it doesn't have anything to do. You can not in good faith make the argument that the game doesn't have any content to do, while actively ignoring the content that is released.

Thanks.

[ovIm]

So basically, ya'll prove my original point of the game DOES IN FACT get content, people just choose not to engage with it and then complain it doesn't have anything to do. You can not in good faith make the argument that the game doesn't have any content to do, while actively ignoring the content that is released.

Thanks.

So basically, you ignore the fact that people are allowed to dislike raids, and claim that there is no content for them to do if all of the game is raids?
You are not arguing in good faith either, so I guess this discussion is over

[Havenchild]

So basically, you ignore the fact that people are allowed to dislike raids, and claim that there is no content for them to do if all of the game is raids?
You are not arguing in good faith either, so I guess this discussion is over

Incorrect. I am arguing you cannot say the game doesn't get content, especially long lasting / evergreen content as that is objectively incorrect.

People should instead state, "When FFXIV releases long lasting content that could occupy me for a few months, I am actively choosing not to do it because I don't like that type of content." That would be actually true.

If people want to dismiss arguably 50% of the game released every major patch cycle while also claiming there isn't enough content, your argument really doesn't have weight.

[ovIm]

Incorrect. I am arguing you cannot say the game doesn't get content, especially long lasting / evergreen content as that is objectively incorrect.

People should instead state, "When FFXIV releases long lasting content that could occupy me for a few months, I am actively choosing not to do it because I don't like that type of content." That would be actually true.

If people want to dismiss arguably 50% of the game released every major patch cycle while also claiming there isn't enough content, your argument really doesn't have weight.

Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

Arguing that ultimate constitutes content when the major prevailing argument (which you fully understand) is a lack of CASUAL repeatable content is just arguing technically true semantics for the purpose of diluting the actual argument

When raiders were understandably frustrated at the second ultimate of ShB being cancelled nobody argued “dungeons are content you can’t claim there is no content for raiders” because arguing pointless semantics benefits nobody

Louder for the people in the back, please.

[Havenchild]

Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

The irony about your comment is that literally the op is talking about gearing. For the short term memory people like yourself:

Seriously, I just hit my very miniscule 450 tomestone cap, I ran M4 once then got locked out of further rewards, I did the alliance raid for the first time today and now I have to wait before getting more rewards for that, as well. For a game that encourages doing everything on one character, why is it such a slog to gear ONE JOB?

Part of gearing IS doing savage content. If you don't want to do that, then you should unsub or wait patiently till you can slow grind your way to gearing. It's literally been this way for years now. It's stupid to make the argument that it takes long to gear, when you also don't seem to be an active raider.


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Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

My comment is towards those saying "There is no content to do in the game." "There is no long lasting content to engage with my sub right now" etc
That is objectively, again, untrue. There is long lasting content for this expansion, they just don't want to do it.

I'll even throw you a bone and say I agree with you that anyone that literally states "There is no content to do that I enjoy" is fine. There's nothing wrong with holding that sentiment.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Incorrect. I am arguing you cannot say the game doesn't get content, especially long lasting / evergreen content as that is objectively incorrect.

People should instead state, "When FFXIV releases long lasting content that could occupy me for a few months, I am actively choosing not to do it because I don't like that type of content." That would be actually true.

If people want to dismiss arguably 50% of the game released every major patch cycle while also claiming there isn't enough content, your argument really doesn't have weight.

Aye because the addition of Savage into the mix makes the content last months LMAO

[Mortex]

So basically when they release new current content, you choose not to do it anyway? And then claim there isn't content in the game?

icic.

Yeah I know it’s a shocker that people don’t wanna learn a fight for over 3 months with completely random people in pf and rather wanna do content they can do farm as solo while they relax. Imagine actually having fun stuff to farm in this game and not farm the same dungeons over and over again for a gatekeeping cap that should be increased 8 weeks ago and the same with savage lookouts.

Like by all means I’m not a “casual” but I can understand the need for some fun and rewarding content that has longevity