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    My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.
    This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

    While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

    While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.
    Can only agree to this. And even if said players aren't part of the community, if you are someone who tends to make similar mistakes or who is of a comparable skill level as the people they complain about you can count 2 and 2 together and realize you probably cause the same type of frustration. Because sometimes it's less about the person themselves. They can be more of a proxy for certain deficits/ways to mess up. The only reason why you are not talked about in a post-game channel could be because others know you are reading.

    For players that still need practice this can send mixed messages. On the one hand the community is about learning and there is no shame in still needing to improve, on the other hand those who are in a state of learning similar to yours are judged (sometimes harshly) precisely for making those mistakes.

    And sure, this will often come from a place of spontaneous annoyance after losing yet another game and people just want to let it out somewhere. I understand that kind of frustration and the person venting might not even dislike you generally speaking.

    But it might still make that sense of a community, that welcomes learning, feel kind of conditional because you know you can be – or maybe already are/have been – that source of irritation and that "lame duck”/”burden” on someone’s team (burden sounds a bit too dramatic, sorry, but I can't think of a better word right now, so take it with some grains of salt).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't.
    The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
    Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

    Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
    PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
    There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidsonBrand View Post
    The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
    Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

    Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
    PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
    There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol
    The loyalty you show your friends is admirable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidsonBrand View Post
    The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
    Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

    Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
    PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
    There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol
    Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.

    Certainly wouldn't mind a golden ticket to whatever private Discord is running all these queue syncs seemingly all hours of the day, since the matchmaking in both modes has made it impossible to win for ages. Pity if you need those colossal win achievements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
    Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.
    Ehhh they run queue syncs every Friday & have a ping for people who want to group up to play Frontline.

    They're not private but they're not guaranteeing any wins. Feel free to join the syncs tho:
    https://discord.gg/pvprimal
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
    Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.
    What in the wintrade shenanigans is CC win farming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidsonBrand View Post
    The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
    Same with another group, PvPrincesses.
    That sounds good. Perhaps when ranked is less active on my end I might take a peek, especially considering I just threw the towel with pve in XIV.
    What is the main difference between all those servers? Do they really need to be all distinct instead of more centralized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    What is the main difference between all those servers? Do they really need to be all distinct instead of more centralized?
    Well, most of these communities started with one person having an idea for an event and made their own server, rather than getting approval/permission from one of the larger ones. Over time it grew to be a staple of the community and the rest is history.

    Which is how I started mine. I wanted to see more Crystalline Conflict tournaments so I made a discord server that I could customize to better feed information to team leads/friends. Sure I could have latched onto PvPrimal or Revival or some other large server but personally, I like doing my own thing.
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