The State of Machinist in DT - Let's talk about it (again).

[Valence]

The day we'll have perfect metrics pigs will fl.. owait-

[CKNovel]

Around 11 Machinists cleared on week 1.
In comparision, there's 286 Dancers and 135 Bards.

MCH is also waaay lower than any melee DPS, so much for that reduction of melee uptime.

[Supersnow845]

Around 11 Machinists cleared on week 1.
In comparision, there's 286 Dancers and 135 Bards.

MCH is also waaay lower than any melee DPS, so much for that reduction of melee uptime.

As anyone who has spent 0.0000005 seconds outside of JP would have told the dev team “buffing melees for uptime concerns” was always a stupid suggestion because NA refuses to even consider a strat if it doesn’t maximise melee uptime anyway. Like that god awful M7 strat that’s forcing all the casters and phys range out of boss range to make the mechanic easier for melee to hit positionals (because a positional is 100% worth more than 3 seperate jobs entire GCD)

[nguyentri11]

Players really shouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for even the slightest hope that the developers will make any meaningful changes to a job that obviously needs them. Hopefully they make changes as soon as possible but even then we're already down 2 out of 3 of the raid tiers. The excuse of "changing job design in 8.0" doesn't mean you can just leave current jobs stale.

[Qyoon]

Players really shouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for even the slightest hope that the developers will make any meaningful changes to a job that obviously needs them. Hopefully they make changes as soon as possible but even then we're already down 2 out of 3 of the raid tiers. The excuse of "changing job design in 8.0" doesn't mean you can just leave current jobs stale.

So you are basicly saying to people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more.
Squarenix is some kind a small indie studio making the game in their garage after work with no budget ?

[nguyentri11]

So you are basicly saying to people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more.
Squarenix is some kind a small indie studio making the game in their garage after work with no budget ?

Double checked what I typed so I'm confused why you think I'm saying "people waiting since 2 years to wait 2 more".

[mallleable]

There are ranged mechanics in this tier, but there are no phys ranged mechanics. MCH, and BRD should get walking casts like they do in PVP with some mobility tools, and they will still be able to handle these ranged responsibilities very easily.

[AvoSturmfaust]

I talked now with a lot of high end players and everyone says the same, Machi is really good in M6S but still got locked out why? Pretty simple, because perception matters in PF more then anything else, one person says machi is bad, everyone believes him and boohm we have the current Situation, and tbh i dont even see the fault in MCH completly i see a fault in Squares Design with Phys Ranges, i mean he needs to compare against 2 Classes which have THREE Raidbuffs, imagine you give the Melees 3 Raidbuffs and look then how the Balance between Melees would look, in a rDPS Vacuum the Number where everyone looks at, the selfish would fall really down.

[Valence]

I talked now with a lot of high end players and everyone says the same, Machi is really good in M6S but still got locked out why? Pretty simple, because perception matters in PF more then anything else, one person says machi is bad, everyone believes him and boohm we have the current Situation

That must be that same damn guy that told everybody on fflogs to sandbag on MCH to make sure that it shows very bad there as well. Damn this guy, whats a mastermind he is.

[HikariKurosawa]

BRD barely has better rDPS than MCH despite having raid buffs, and MCH has way better aDPS. Then you have the dismantle tax + MCH being simple compared to most other jobs.

I don't think there really is a problem with MCH dps, you can't just call it a problem because it's the lowest performing job lol.

On top of this, parse community bias is showing strong. There are just not many MCH parses, meaning people who "care about performance" are avoiding it like the plague. You aren't seeing the same expression of skill in MCH because people just aren't playing it.