The State of Machinist in DT - Let's talk about it (again).

[Shyxx]

The machinists are getting no clears because they are locked out of parties and because they are doing pitiful damage. It's hard to imagine Yoshi P doesn't have something against MCH and doesn't regret creating them with how they have been treated for years. They might be in the worst state any job has been in the games' history or at least close to it.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/68?boss=98

3 clears...

[xbahax92]

[ThurinTurambar]

The machinists are getting no clears because they are locked out of parties and because they are doing pitiful damage. It's hard to imagine Yoshi P doesn't have something against MCH and doesn't regret creating them with how they have been treated for years. They might be in the worst state any job has been in the games' history or at least close to it.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/68?boss=98

3 clears...

Introducing new limited job! Used only for deep dungeon solo and RP.

[mallleable]

BRD shouldn't be grinning. It's far behind DNC in m6s as well.

[xbahax92]

BRD shouldn't be grinning. It's far behind DNC in m6s as well.

Don't do this to me, I'm progging with BRD rn, noooo.

[Carighan]

"Far behind" is relative anyways. Given the very lax dps checks so far, the 10% difference in balance we see isn't even relevant, so bringing a Machinist just highlights skill issues, it's not in itself an issue. Depends on who you play with of course, in PF you don't want to bring anything but the most flexible (so you'd bring Picto as your caster even though Black Mages does more damage, because less average deaths, or even Rezz Mage for progging, you bring Viper because you can't screw up Viper rotation even in heavy combat, etc).

Quite big difference in output though, given how close the jobs already were. They really dropped the ball trying to re-balance things after 7.0 by buffing everyone up to Picto level, and it's showing a slew of cascading secondary effects now.

[Supersnow845]

"Far behind" is relative anyways. Given the very lax dps checks so far, the 10% difference in balance we see isn't even relevant, so bringing a Machinist just highlights skill issues, it's not in itself an issue. Depends on who you play with of course, in PF you don't want to bring anything but the most flexible (so you'd bring Picto as your caster even though Black Mages does more damage, because less average deaths, or even Rezz Mage for progging, you bring Viper because you can't screw up Viper rotation even in heavy combat, etc).

Quite big difference in output though, given how close the jobs already were. They really dropped the ball trying to re-balance things after 7.0 by buffing everyone up to Picto level, and it's showing a slew of cascading secondary effects now.

M6’s full DPS check is lax. The adds DPS check is NOT and it rewards cleave more than any content since HW

It’s also why VPR is dominating, as it cleaves by default in its burst

[Carighan]

Oh yeah true I forgot about that. Also another reason to finally make Flamethrower the end-all-be-all of AoE damage and frankly they can take all other AoE away. I just want a WW1 flame trooper uniform glamour + a flamethrower that burns everything.

[ThurinTurambar]

So i was pondering the base aoe nerfs again. What if devs saw in their data that auto crossbow is underutilised, so they thought "surely thats because its same potency as base aoe!" instead of looking at heat blast just being better in most cases?

[Valence]

If anything I'm actually happy they nerf filler base potencies, because stuff melts too fast in older content anyway, notably dungeons. Anything that helps make stuff melt slower, I'm all for.

Also MCH surprisingly seems to be a little above BRD and DNC on cDPS for M5S so far. Rphys overall still in the gutter.