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    Jen Ajello
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    What is up with Wuk Lamat being so omnipresent.

    Yeah I know, not enough time for course correction, everything until 7.2/7.3 was already done, she is gonna be present she is the main character etc. etc. That's not what my problem is.

    The Pelupelu quests take no time to just bring up a Wuk Lamat flashback.
    Bakool Ja mentions her and sings her praises DURING the alliance raid, and right after too if I remember correctly. She has no involvement with it, no other character ever gets brought up out of nowhere like this during any other raid.

    The problem is not that they haven't course corrected, it's that they thought anyone would want or like this in the first place. What kind of thought process do they have where they thought people would want to spend 95% of the MSQ with this one character and afterwards want her mentioned in every piece of content that gets released? No other character from any expansion is treated this way. She really just feels like a developer's pet that they really really want to push into every possible moment in the game.
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    Last edited by Jangles; 11-18-2024 at 12:10 AM. Reason: spelling

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    I think the key is avoiding generalizations. "it's that they thought anyone would want or like this in the first place" Yes, actually some people are in fact enjoying this MSQ. Lots of people. Very much. Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric, or Lyse, or Emet-Selch, or Zero, etc. of this particular expansion. She'll be around with us, a lot, and then be replaced by someone else in the next expansion.
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    None of those characters listed had out of the blue mentions praising them in side content, and none were as present as Wuk Lamat during their respective story arcs.
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    Yoshi-P really wants to show the players "what makes her so cool" as per an interview
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric,
    one of our only allies after the bloody banquet gets a lot of screen time, say it aint so

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    or Lyse,
    already developed character gets additional screentime when we do something relevant to her, no way

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    or Emet-Selch,
    BBEG for the past four expansions? yeah this is totally equivalent to wuk lamat

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    or Zero,
    not even part of an expansion story, this is like saying the seeker of solitude in the first is wuk lamat
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    Last edited by NegativeS; 11-18-2024 at 02:43 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric, or Lyse, or Emet-Selch, or Zero, etc. of this particular expansion.
    This except I think it's closer to say spending time with her is more like the time we spent with Estinien and Ysayle than Aymeric.
    Zero is the closest comparison though, and I'm enjoying my time with Wuk Lamat a lot more than I did with Zero.

    I like Zero but getting development from her was like pulling teeth - I was losing patience.
    I get that changes don't happen overnight but Wuk Lamat's pacing has been a huge improvement.

    I just hope she doesn't fall into obscurity like Lyse when we eventually leave Tural.
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    Every example you mentioned above contributes to the cutscene in terms of dialogue, offers their thoughts that has some degree of meaning

    Whenever Wuk Lamat speaks, which is in almost every cutscene her words are empty, meaningless and unnecessary yet she HAS to be there for whatever reason.
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    I did a side-by-side comparison for myself to see what was it about the expansion that got under my skin, new patch included. I did the cutscenes with the sound and BGM on and felt triggered by how much repetitive 'peace and harmony' and Wuk Lamat dialogue there was as well as how much bending-over the NPCs did for that character. Then I went to my Unending journal, turned the BGM and VA off and reading it with my own thoughts wasn't nearly as irritating but I didn't keep a tally on how much 'feeling' was mentioned. I even put Donkey Kong Country music with rainfall as placeholder BGM and my experience was far better. The amount of walking and cutscenes in lieu of activity or combat is what made itself most known to me once I focused less on the story execution; lackluster, a bit bland, and felt like two steps back from our journey through Stormblood. Much of this was us chauffeuring the would-be ruler(s) around to learn about a series of cultures they should have already been made thoroughly aware of if they wanted to appeal to rule, and us (the WoL) not intervening when it would be prudent to do so, patch included (I could also go on a tangent about how forcibly-nice we were to Wuk Lamat, in the wake of the sarcastic remarks we've given in previous expansions, and the forced niceties were another thing that broke immersion). The team tried something new -- kudos and kupos -- and it's the first flop I've felt when playing FFXIV. In essence, the most annoying things that I could glean were Wuk Lamat and how a lot of the plot laid a velvet carpet out for that character (almost exclusively); I tried to like it, and I couldn't. The experience becomes less jarring when you omit all of the VA'ing to balance the upset of 'when or when not to include voice lines', so my time with the expansion DID improve when I made the adjustments that suit me best. The character 'Wuk Lamat' is the poster-child for the expansion and will remain being fronted like a sandwich board on the sidewalk until the expansion ends, and hopefully not much further after that; it wasn't a good character.
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    Last edited by Zelda206; 11-18-2024 at 03:36 AM.

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    I am afraid that FFXIV has been ruined by politics....it's worth to search for changes in the team between the end of SHB and DT.
    Unfortunately.
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    hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

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    Wasselin Kainz
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    Haurchefant is mentioned "out of the blue" quite often.

    I hated Zenos, so everytime he was mentioned, alluded, to or shown on screen, I was annoyed. Could it just be that, since you don't like Wuk Lamat, you notice her more?

    I didn't even remember that she was mentioned in the Alliance Raid series. I mean I believe you that she was, but it didn't stick out to me because I think Wuk Lamat is alright.
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