The forums are flawed as the main way to collect player feedback.

[Supersnow845]

It's not a flawed way. It just has more potential to be skewed than random game survey.

I feel like people invoke Forum limitations when they don't like whatever is being discussed in that forum. I don't think it's too much to worry about because despite what Yoshi p might say I don't think there's evidence they lift Forum feedback directly into the game necessarily every single time. While I'm unsure if they actually do a survey there is the unsubscription survey at least and for better or worse they do use metrics within the game to make decisions.

As for the mount tilt, that's pretty hilarious imo. I didn't even know about it. But it's a case by case sort of thing isn't it? Kaiten definitely isn't back. Mount tilt is something easily adjusted and of no real consequence to gameplay. It could also affect someone with motion sickness or something. When you combine all that I think it's easy to see why it happened.

I mean in this case isn’t “method that has more potential to be skewed than other method they could pretty easily implement” basically be the definition of flawed

[Turtledeluxe]

I mean in this case isn’t “method that has more potential to be skewed than other method they could pretty easily implement” basically be the definition of flawed

I'm glad you asked. The answer is, no, because an in game survey has its own limitations and risks too. Doesn't your own post imply this...? They should be used in conjunction even considering possible biases or limitations.

I think what's bad faith is saying forums are predicated on bad faith. Like, huh? That seems like a random assumption. Forums can be problematic, but that's not really why exactly.

Or maybe what you are both trying to say is relying purely on forums is flawed? That could be true. Luckily they don't do that. Just pulling a random recent example doesn't show that lol. Also there is an in game survey. I'm 99% sure I did it and I was able to write a character limited statement that expressed discontent with jobs and story. Or it was Other. I don't remember. You get it when you unsub.

I honestly didn't read the part about his quote originally but now that I have, there's assumption here too. So the game designer is telling you a silent group of players leaves first and you deny that bc...forums are bad? Going by LuckyBancho, this is demonstrably true, unless you feel like we actually heard from the 600k people who quit for the EW patches?? I don't think even 1% of those posted here announcing departure or frankly, anywhere really. He's probably correct. People who aren't really engaged by the content probably leave quickly and quietly...meaning there is no flawed logic because that doesn't mean there aren't also silent but happy players.