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    Jangles's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    Or we could have a story with a nice woman whose treasured bracelet was stolen, and we have to investigate to take it back without anyone getting hurt.
    I still hold that Dawntrail should have been a bunch of little Shaloanis with the trials of the rite of succession interspersed within. They do a pretty good job at establishing motivation, stakes, challenges, and rising tension even with such a simple low-stakes story.
    This is how I thought the story was going to be. In the 6.55 quests when I told G'raha I had no interest in the rite of succession he said, "Just do your own thing in Tural and maybe you'll help with the trial if it intrigues you." Instead we were thrown right into it with absolutely nothing else coming up until it was done.
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    The stakes aren't being upped. This is set up. They are telling you a story, not a increasingly difficult series of battles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villa101 View Post
    The stakes aren't being upped. This is set up. They are telling you a story, not a increasingly difficult series of battles
    Except we do get another case of "The world is going to end if we don't win." again in the latter half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    And it's exactly because, as many predicted back in 6.0, they didn't know how to up the "stakes" after we killed god and uber-god in Endwalker.
    So they needed to invent some new mcguffin so they can go "oh no, the villain has somehow powered up enough to compete with the universe-ending godkiller that is the WoL."
    Except they forgot one thing. I have something stronger than any thing the villians can throw at me. ITS CALL PLOT ARMOR!!!!!!
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    So they needed to invent some new mcguffin so they can go "oh no, the villain has somehow powered up enough to compete with the universe-ending godkiller that is the WoL."
    Not aiming this at you, just bouncing off of that part particularly.The thing I find weird about statements like these is that FF14 already knows what to do with overpowered characters: Stormblood's entire premise revolved around attacking the Garleans from opposite angles specifically because Zenos was a one man army. And not even going that far, Endwalker's despair (mostly) worked because, like Zenos, the WoL (heck the whole crew) couldn't be everywhere at once.

    But suddenly Dawntrail steps in and just has everyone standing there doing nothing and wasting time until the writers are ready to close off the plot because "We're too strong, if we took center stage there wouldn't be any plot" and I simply vehemently disagree. The WoL and the scions are largely reactive forces in this world, and all an enemy needs is a plan that's more than a step or two in by the time the good guys realize.
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    7.1 was uninspiring to say the least. Sure compared to most post expac patch content it's probably about average, but this time it's coming off the back of a very substandard expac story.
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    The entire 7.1 MSQ felt pointless. Did we need to know who the little baby lizard's mother was? No. Then they shoe-horned in Koana's parent's revelation...OK...kind of random, but sure. Then, we end with the real meat of some Sphene imposter, which I assume is going to take up the plot of 7.2 and 7.3 before the inevitable pivot to 7.4 and 7.5 setting up 8.0.

    I didn't like Dawntrail, it really didn't set up the foundation for anything, so folks saying it is ARR 2.0 ....is it though? Not really. I feel you could delete DT completely and wouldn't miss anything. It really is some extended side quest.
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    The stakes don't need to be upped anyways, the WoL is not a god of destruction, every big feat we achive is through the help of many people or with borrowed power. And even without that just because we beat something powerful doesn't mean we have just as much destructive power as whatever we kill. Someone at the level of Gaius would still be a great threat to us, the WoL is still human. (1/14th denser than most thanks to Ardbert, but stil...)
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    Yeah I gotta say, as someone who enjoyed the first half of 7.0 more than the second and also actually likes both Wuk Lamat and Koana... this patch really did feel kind of all over the place. A lot of the dialogue felt. Stilted, I guess? Forced and awkward. And it overall felt like a series of sidequests, which I guess is a little reminiscent of early ARR for me, but I'm not sure that that's a good thing. Kinda headscratchy.

    Also, while the dungeon was very cool, our reason for being there and the characters involved were honestly kind of baffling? The priorities of everyone seemed so whack that it really felt like another moment of Plot Convenient Stupidity. That then did not have any payoff whatsoever within this patch. So. Huh????
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    "Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can." - Elyas Machera, The Wheel of Time

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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    isnt it normal for the patch quests to have 2-3 story locations and letting the player jump between them all the time?
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