Job identity, simplification and balance in general

[HikariKurosawa]

I think you should put less stock into trying to falsely understand statements and look the reality in the eye my guy.

Yoshi-P says they make jobs too simple, and that DT is not going in that direction. Then, they make jobs even simpler. You can call it "streamlining" all you want, does not erase what it is. Either Yoshi-P is lying or he is not directing the game anymore.
Or you can keep huffing your copium, you do you.

None of the jobs were made simpler in dawntrail though, they all got added complexity.

Why would I be huffing copium too, what a weird way of twisting my perspective lol. I love the direction they have been taking the game. I think they should streamline it even further, and they have with 7.1.

[Schan]

I think you should put less stock into trying to falsely understand statements and look the reality in the eye my guy.

Yoshi-P says they make jobs too simple, and that DT is not going in that direction. Then, they make jobs even simpler. You can call it "streamlining" all you want, does not erase what it is. Either Yoshi-P is lying or he is not directing the game anymore.
Or you can keep huffing your copium, you do you.

As much as I am unhappy with several job changes in DT, I think it's a bit unfair to jump the gun and start immediately accusing devs and suits of dishonesty. Yes, PR talk is mostly bull, however the devs are several patches ahead of us. These job changes have probably been decided a while ago. If YoshiP is truthful, and he only realised this recently, then we will have months until we see any noticeable change in job design. It's just easier to not have that hope / assume malice in the first place.

Regardless, even if the decisions have been made a while ago, they can still backtrack or address some things based on how much backlash they get. The more backlash, the more likely it'll be moved up in the priority list.

[Carighan]

I mean ,and they couldn't have either removed or reworked life surge.

Like I dunno, remove the +damage part (fold that into the main potency), then make it heal for 200%-300% of the damage dealt but only a single charge, so it's a big healing ability for when needed. In fact I'd take it as a trait replacement for Bloodbath for more unique identity!

[WiccaP]

*Laughs in Machinist*
But in all seriousness; they did state that in 7.x would be about bringing the jobs down and balancing them and 8.x would be about bringing the uniqueness and flavor back to the jobs. While its annoying, it does make sense to spend the next 3 years, planning and testing and working jobs and doing them all at once instead of trickling them down over patches. It is frustrating though, but MCH has been pretty much dumbed down since shadowbringers.

[Supersnow845]

Remember when Lilys actually had a purpose

Ah good times

[BabyYoda]

Do anyone fall for Yoshi PR talk?

[Valence]

Technically, sandpaper actually streamlines things too. Still is sandpaper though.

[Schan]

I've given the devs the benefit of the doubt for years now, and after a while, my own well of goodwill has run dry, unfortunately.

I don't blame you. People have different levels of goodwill and SE keeps messing up. Quite a few people are running out of goodwill by now.

I will be here complaining about job design but I am also aware that:
A) their job isn't easy
B) they're the dev group most at risk of taking the brunt of the community's outrage.