I WANT MY NASTROND CHARGES BACK RIGHT NOW

[Nikoto]

This is absurd, it is utterly unbelieveable.

It's not even fathomable that this change happened. Awful, genuinely the worst.

Give us back our Nastrond Charges, if people can't use them all in burst properly, that's a skill issue - we shouldn't be getting punished because some people can't press buttons.

[CidHeiral]

This applies to the entire 7.0 DRG dework.

[DourFlower]

Agreed this is the worst change since removing yet another jump from dragoon

[Taranok]

DRG needs 3 things.

1. Fewer oGCDs. While the Nastrond charge change fixes this issue in part, there are much better options to target. Like Mirage Dive. Or Life Surge.
2. Fewer clunky oGCDs. This is mostly related to combo'd oGCDs. An oGCD that turns into a second oGCD. Doubly so when you cannot fire them back to back. This was, obviously, not fixed. And most of the egregious examples of this came about in DT specifically. The other example being E.G. Jump->Mirage Dive.
3. Jump man need more jump.

I'm indifferent on the Nastrond change since it technically makes room for other changes elsewhere. But there's 2 vastly worse oGCDs to also target that are suspiciously ignored. A Nastrond change could happen later, but you don't make it the first choice and then reduce a core piece of kit that has existed since Stormblood because someone put too many new and pointless things onto the class.

I would be fine bringing Nastrond back to 3 charges if it meant removing life surge and mirage dive. Seriously, screw those abilities. And it would still accomplish a 1.5+ drop in APM as well while reducing burst clutter by the same amount. Does nothing about anything else, but same goal with abilities people probably actually don't care about.

[Aco505]

DRG needs 3 things.

1. Fewer oGCDs. While the Nastrond charge change fixes this issue in part, there are much better options to target. Like Mirage Dive. Or Life Surge.

I would be fine bringing Nastrond back to 3 charges if it meant removing life surge and mirage dive. Seriously, screw those abilities.

No, these are terrible solutions. If you remove all that, the job is skeletal. The only thing they should've done to reduce weaving is reworking Life Surge into a weaponskill.

No more removals. The kit has to be cohesive and interactive with itself, which is also why Mirage Dive should've given a scale instead of having almost double potency.

But the main point is that one of DRG's core features is its focus in oGCDs. Removing them to give nothing back, as is the current case, only makes it worse than it already was in 7.0.

[Nikoto]

DRG needs 3 things.

1. Fewer oGCDs. While the Nastrond charge change fixes this issue in part, there are much better options to target. Like Mirage Dive. Or Life Surge.
2. Fewer clunky oGCDs. This is mostly related to combo'd oGCDs. An oGCD that turns into a second oGCD. Doubly so when you cannot fire them back to back. This was, obviously, not fixed. And most of the egregious examples of this came about in DT specifically. The other example being E.G. Jump->Mirage Dive.
3. Jump man need more jump.

I'm indifferent on the Nastrond change since it technically makes room for other changes elsewhere. But there's 2 vastly worse oGCDs to also target that are suspiciously ignored. A Nastrond change could happen later, but you don't make it the first choice and then reduce a core piece of kit that has existed since Stormblood because someone put too many new and pointless things onto the class.

I would be fine bringing Nastrond back to 3 charges if it meant removing life surge and mirage dive. Seriously, screw those abilities. And it would still accomplish a 1.5+ drop in APM as well while reducing burst clutter by the same amount. Does nothing about anything else, but same goal with abilities people probably actually don't care about.

DRG needs 1 thing and it's less feedback from people like you who dislike its core job identity, which is an abundance of oGCD. Plenty of other melee jobs you can go and play.

[AraliaMerrith]

Also can we get doom spike at Level 12 please.
No AOE until 40 is just Thal's Balls.

[Keichi]

Taranok is right.
The class has to many oGcd. And it was stated years ago, that one goal of the drg rework was, to work an the overload of the skills, he has to use in the burst Mode (around 17 skills).
Reducing Nastrond IS on of the solution. Esspecialy, when the strg is now double (mean, whe use 2 at ones).

Its even true, that it feels like, something is missing now. Because, its became now a bit relaxing. Maybe, whe could habe 2 charges of Nastrond. Because all other ogcd are 2 phase attacks to (except, if whe count Geirskogul as the phase 1 attack).
In addition is it now needed to positionate you correctly, to hit the most people with the line attack.

And, in Theorie have whe now 3 new skill to use.
The spear throwing skill is now potency 350, after a backflip. What is stronger as Nastrond originaly was.
In theorie can whe now jump back, throwing the spear and dass than to the enemie again, in the burst Mode.
I doubt, that this is relatable. But, would be a option now and would include jumps to now.

[Aco505]

In theorie can whe now jump back, throwing the spear and dass than to the enemie again, in the burst Mode.

This will only be a thing in level 70 content or earlier.

Piercing Talon will be a loss regardless at higher levels and especially after acquiring Wyrmwind Thrust. It's just gone from terrible to alright but requiring the use of Elusive Jump to use it is bad.

[Carighan]

Fewer clunky oGCDs. This is mostly related to combo'd oGCDs. An oGCD that turns into a second oGCD. Doubly so when you cannot fire them back to back. This was, obviously, not fixed. And most of the egregious examples of this came about in DT specifically. The other example being E.G. Jump->Mirage Dive.

I mean, it's a neat concept for a job identity, but only if the job were actually built around it. DRG has by far the most of them, but it doesn't do anything mechanically, it's just busywork for... well... busywork's case.

Which is why the whole design was always so bad, there's just no identity in all the fumbling about with a lance DRGs do. They lack something that makes DRG be, well, a DRG. But then FFXIV as a whole struggles hard with any identity for any of their jobs, seeing how that got shifted into fight design and automatically requires jobs to be heavily homogenized and streamlined.