Woke up to DRK destroying whole team with astrologians...

[Mawlzy]

The new delayed timing of Salted Earth makes it significantly easier to react to even if you weren't prepared. I think in time even a portion of the casual player base will learn to react better and guard/purify/run before the pull happens. It happened over the course of endwalker (though to varying degrees on each DC).

This is more true that I initially thought, Perly. However I don't think players reacting to an incoming DRK is actually the primary reason. My experience is that players are simply doing a lot of running away in general and thus accidentally escape the danger zone with the greater delay.

Also, I haven't seen any of the notable Aether DRK premade commanders on the field yet. If they turn up playing BRD I'll toll the bell for the end of the DRK meta. Although knowing their commitment and ability, they may unleash something worse.

[FROSTEDFLAKE]

It's not problematic at all, it just counters NA's tendency to stack up and zerg around. And because Dark Knight counters that hard, people consider it OP when it's easy to survive or avoid.

Defensively speaking -- supports should help out the team, melees have their defensives, and basic spacing should be enough.
Offensively speaking -- it's fun to blow up an entire alliance that's huddling together. What is the point of having 48 enemies to hit if you can't hit 48 enemies?

Why are you saying " na " as if JP is not the core main issue of stacking up ..... bruh all these commanders crap and staying together, stacking LBs, all these tactic they come from JP, have you played on JP ? clearly not. just dont talk if you have no idea what you are talking about.

[OliviaLugria]

This is more true that I initially thought, Perly. However I don't think players reacting to an incoming DRK is actually the primary reason. My experience is that players are simply doing a lot of running away in general and thus accidentally escape the danger zone with the greater delay.

Also, I haven't seen any of the notable Aether DRK premade commanders on the field yet. If they turn up playing BRD I'll toll the bell for the end of the DRK meta. Although knowing their commitment and ability, they may unleash something worse.

I'll be there tonight haha, been on primal for CC. Funnily enough I was playing bard last shatter, and it's actually pretty decent choice now (which I really hate saying).

Initial thoughts for dark are: it's still strong for commanders, but non-calling premades and solo que are going to get less value from it.

[Mawlzy]

I'll be there tonight haha, been on primal for CC. Funnily enough I was playing bard last shatter, and it's actually pretty decent choice now (which I really hate saying).

Initial thoughts for dark are: it's still strong for commanders, but non-calling premades and solo que are going to get less value from it.

Thanks for the update. I'll try to pop in.

Edit: check that, it's Shatter.

[Mawlzy]

I'll be there tonight haha, been on primal for CC. Funnily enough I was playing bard last shatter, and it's actually pretty decent choice now (which I really hate saying).

Initial thoughts for dark are: it's still strong for commanders, but non-calling premades and solo que are going to get less value from it.

I am told your Shatter trick still works to the point the map is unplayable. Which doesn't impact me. Welcome back.

[Teno]

It's funny to see that the problem with DRK kinda solved itself when the players both running around like chicken and those standing still like turrets couldn't be all herded at once anymore.

[Router]

I am told your Shatter trick still works to the point the map is unplayable. Which doesn't impact me. Welcome back.

Shatter doesn't need any tricks to be unplayable

[Mawlzy]

Shatter doesn't need any tricks to be unplayable

That's a very fair point lol. Agreed.

[RyoXander]

Guard. Purify. They are your friends. Use them.