Thread: 7.1 Wuk PTSD

I definitely had an averse reaction when she first showed up when my character was alone trying to enjoy her food. I was glad she was much more muted in the patch though in many places it was very obvious that she didn't even need to be there. Even for things like Gulool Ja, frankly Shale is a better choice. She has a rapport with him and has basically taken him under her wing and is the one actually treating him like family.

She will still be relevant until 7.4, even more now that we know were they are going with the MSQ.

And yes, I also gritted my teeth the second I realized she would be the first character to talk to the WoL.

But she wasn't overbearingly present this time, she was the amount she should have been during the 7.0 MSQ, a major character but not one overshadowing by far any other character (Koana and Gulool Ja are more important than her in this patch content).
We're not there yet when it comes to remaking WoL into a relevant character in the story, but like for WUk Lamat presence in the story, I don't think we can expect that before 7.4 (even if I think they are already beginning to tease our rivalry with the Preservation that I see becoming the new Ascians), but since it's the case in both Raid storyline (The Arcadion more than Va'nadiel), let's just say I will wait.

I expected as much since 7.1 was being developedbefore 7.0 was released. I hope she gets soft shelved like Lyse did in the following patches where they can change things around a bit more. I just don't think she's salvageable.

You know that a lot of these forum folks remind me of? The Lambs of Dalamud. In their eyes, their god has exploded, and now they're making it everyone else's problem. I can already hear "I don't think FFXIV is my god!" Really? 'Cause the sheer amount of rancor that appears on this board is usually only something I see when someone has their religion or politics questioned. So which one is it? I just still don't get people paying at least $15 a month on something that seems to bring them misery. Unless they're masochists (no judgement). They'll throw out every excuse. "I have friends here!" Yeah? We live in the era of discord and various other forms of instant video and audio communications. If they don't wanna talk to you anymore if you quit the game, then I'm sorry, those aren't friends. Those are co-workers. "I have a house!" Is that house really bringing you so much joy as to counteract all the misery you're experiencing? If so, then apparently you don't hate the game as much you think you do."I want to make sure I can give them feedback and want to wait until next patch to see if they implement the changes I want." ...sure, you have the right to bring up issues, but it's clear that they know the issues that are supposedly plaguing the game. Going over it again and again and again with increasing amounts of vitriol over the course of weeks, months or even years does nothing. While I, personally, believe that CS3 does listen to its players a bit better than most MMO teams, they are still part of a company, and the most expedient way to get a company to change what they're doing is for people to stop paying them for the service they provide until the changes you want are done.

Originally Posted by RaideDuku

You know that a lot of these forum folks remind me of? The Lambs of Dalamud. In their eyes, their god has exploded, and now they're making it everyone else's problem. I can already hear "I don't think FFXIV is my god!" Really? 'Cause the sheer amount of rancor that appears on this board is usually only something I see when someone has their religion or politics questioned. So which one is it? I just still don't get people paying at least $15 a month on something that seems to bring them misery. Unless they're masochists (no judgement). They'll throw out every excuse. "I have friends here!" Yeah? We live in the era of discord and various other forms of instant video and audio communications. If they don't wanna talk to you anymore if you quit the game, then I'm sorry, those aren't friends. Those are co-workers. "I have a house!" Is that house really bringing you so much joy as to counteract all the misery you're experiencing? If so, then apparently you don't hate the game as much you think you do."I want to make sure I can give them feedback and want to wait until next patch to see if they implement the changes I want." ...sure, you have the right to bring up issues, but it's clear that they know the issues that are supposedly plaguing the game. Going over it again and again and again with increasing amounts of vitriol over the course of weeks, months or even years does nothing. While I, personally, believe that CS3 does listen to its players a bit better than most MMO teams, they are still part of a company, and the most expedient way to get a company to change what they're doing is for people to stop paying them for the service they provide until the changes you want are done.

they will hate you for this but yeah

Originally Posted by RaideDuku

You know that a lot of these forum folks remind me of? The Lambs of Dalamud. In their eyes, their god has exploded, and now they're making it everyone else's problem. I can already hear "I don't think FFXIV is my god!" Really? 'Cause the sheer amount of rancor that appears on this board is usually only something I see when someone has their religion or politics questioned. So which one is it? I just still don't get people paying at least $15 a month on something that seems to bring them misery. Unless they're masochists (no judgement). They'll throw out every excuse. "I have friends here!" Yeah? We live in the era of discord and various other forms of instant video and audio communications. If they don't wanna talk to you anymore if you quit the game, then I'm sorry, those aren't friends. Those are co-workers. "I have a house!" Is that house really bringing you so much joy as to counteract all the misery you're experiencing? If so, then apparently you don't hate the game as much you think you do."I want to make sure I can give them feedback and want to wait until next patch to see if they implement the changes I want." ...sure, you have the right to bring up issues, but it's clear that they know the issues that are supposedly plaguing the game. Going over it again and again and again with increasing amounts of vitriol over the course of weeks, months or even years does nothing. While I, personally, believe that CS3 does listen to its players a bit better than most MMO teams, they are still part of a company, and the most expedient way to get a company to change what they're doing is for people to stop paying them for the service they provide until the changes you want are done.

You realise that you can still appreciate a game as a whole while being able to criticize it right ? And that one of the roles of a forum is to be able to express those critics precisely ? And the fact that there is so much of them in all places (even Reddit who was plagged with toxic positivity at the beginning is, in majority, at very least disappointed in Dawntrail) mean something.
You are sick of seing them ? Just don't click on any topic that is obviously one where critics will be done.

I find the 7.0 MSQ subpar, Wuk Lamat being at the same time badly written and overpresent and I don't like having my WoL being relegated to being a cameraman. And I will express my disappointement until it's resolved and this patch was on the right direction for me.
Dawntrail is a 6.5/10 for me so far but the game as a whole is still one of my favorite game of all time, I just don't want it to have a succession of subpar storytelling when I know they can do good to very good ones.

People like you who are basically saying "if you don't like it, don't play it" are the same kind than those who say "Dawntrail is so bad I think the game will close tomorrow". The over-confident, moralizing boring kind.

Originally Posted by Zackneifein

People like you who are basically saying "if you don't like it, don't play it" are the same kind than those who say "Dawntrail is so bad I think the game will close tomorrow". The over-confident, moralizing boring kind.

But if you are truly unhappy with where the game is steering towards to, story and/or class changes-wise, or otherwise, then solution is -indeed- just to quit.
No one forces you to keep going when it is not something you enjoy anymore in there and ruins your time.

Get away from it. Play other games. And then take a look inside it again after a longer break to see how it progressed.

Originally Posted by Arrius

But if you are truly unhappy with where the game is steering towards to, story and/or class changes-wise, or otherwise, then solution is -indeed- just to quit.
No one forces you to keep going when it is not something you enjoy anymore in there and ruins your time.

Get away from it. Play other games. And then take a look inside it again after a longer break to see how it progressed.

So, if someone you don't like is elected, you just give up and go in another country ?
Like I said, I still like this game and I still like playing it. I found Dawntrail MSQ subpar, not irrevocabily bad neither I think it "ruined" FFXIV, but I will talk about what I don't like in place you are supposed to.

I hope you have never complained about anything in any game or any other situation, since you "just need to quit".

Originally Posted by Zackneifein

Like I said, I still like this game and I still like playing it. I found Dawntrail MSQ subpar, not irrevocabily bad neither I think it "ruined" FFXIV, but I will talk about what I don't like in place you are supposed to.

I hope you have never complained about anything in any game or any other situation, since you "just need to quit".

Then it is likely that the person that is being told to quit is not you. There are people on these forums, loud, in fact, that are huffing their own groupthink and getting high off the fact that their (small group) of loud peers thinks the same as them, and it does nothing to change the actual outcome and also only serves to reinforce the divide and push others toward more extreme polarizing views of the material. If someone doesn't enjoy anything about the game anymore and is only staying for something like paying virtual rent, which they don't even use for anything, what's the point? It's also expressly not like a country because this is literally a leisure activity and not a matter of life or death.

Originally Posted by Zackneifein

I hope you have never complained about anything in any game or any other situation, since you "just need to quit".

If the main draw of the said mmo is starting for me to feel bad, then I simply quit.
Why letting it me string along (and take my subscription money) and cope for better times?