Thread: 7.1 Wuk PTSD

Originally Posted by RaideDuku

You know that a lot of these forum folks remind me of? The Lambs of Dalamud. In their eyes, their god has exploded, and now they're making it everyone else's problem. I can already hear "I don't think FFXIV is my god!" Really? 'Cause the sheer amount of rancor that appears on this board is usually only something I see when someone has their religion or politics questioned. So which one is it? I just still don't get people paying at least $15 a month on something that seems to bring them misery. Unless they're masochists (no judgement). They'll throw out every excuse. "I have friends here!" Yeah? We live in the era of discord and various other forms of instant video and audio communications. If they don't wanna talk to you anymore if you quit the game, then I'm sorry, those aren't friends. Those are co-workers. "I have a house!" Is that house really bringing you so much joy as to counteract all the misery you're experiencing? If so, then apparently you don't hate the game as much you think you do."I want to make sure I can give them feedback and want to wait until next patch to see if they implement the changes I want." ...sure, you have the right to bring up issues, but it's clear that they know the issues that are supposedly plaguing the game. Going over it again and again and again with increasing amounts of vitriol over the course of weeks, months or even years does nothing. While I, personally, believe that CS3 does listen to its players a bit better than most MMO teams, they are still part of a company, and the most expedient way to get a company to change what they're doing is for people to stop paying them for the service they provide until the changes you want are done.

they will hate you for this but yeah

Originally Posted by RaideDuku

You know that a lot of these forum folks remind me of? The Lambs of Dalamud. In their eyes, their god has exploded, and now they're making it everyone else's problem. I can already hear "I don't think FFXIV is my god!" Really? 'Cause the sheer amount of rancor that appears on this board is usually only something I see when someone has their religion or politics questioned. So which one is it? I just still don't get people paying at least $15 a month on something that seems to bring them misery. Unless they're masochists (no judgement). They'll throw out every excuse. "I have friends here!" Yeah? We live in the era of discord and various other forms of instant video and audio communications. If they don't wanna talk to you anymore if you quit the game, then I'm sorry, those aren't friends. Those are co-workers. "I have a house!" Is that house really bringing you so much joy as to counteract all the misery you're experiencing? If so, then apparently you don't hate the game as much you think you do."I want to make sure I can give them feedback and want to wait until next patch to see if they implement the changes I want." ...sure, you have the right to bring up issues, but it's clear that they know the issues that are supposedly plaguing the game. Going over it again and again and again with increasing amounts of vitriol over the course of weeks, months or even years does nothing. While I, personally, believe that CS3 does listen to its players a bit better than most MMO teams, they are still part of a company, and the most expedient way to get a company to change what they're doing is for people to stop paying them for the service they provide until the changes you want are done.

You realise that you can still appreciate a game as a whole while being able to criticize it right ? And that one of the roles of a forum is to be able to express those critics precisely ? And the fact that there is so much of them in all places (even Reddit who was plagged with toxic positivity at the beginning is, in majority, at very least disappointed in Dawntrail) mean something.
You are sick of seing them ? Just don't click on any topic that is obviously one where critics will be done.

I find the 7.0 MSQ subpar, Wuk Lamat being at the same time badly written and overpresent and I don't like having my WoL being relegated to being a cameraman. And I will express my disappointement until it's resolved and this patch was on the right direction for me.
Dawntrail is a 6.5/10 for me so far but the game as a whole is still one of my favorite game of all time, I just don't want it to have a succession of subpar storytelling when I know they can do good to very good ones.

People like you who are basically saying "if you don't like it, don't play it" are the same kind than those who say "Dawntrail is so bad I think the game will close tomorrow". The over-confident, moralizing boring kind.

Wuk isn't my fav character either but all this fan rage over a fictional character that will be irrelevant in a few patches is pointless and really not healthy, especially when certain folk want a character to get killed. if you don't like the character just skip the cutscene. Complaining about it on the forums isn't going to make Square undo months of work that has already been set in stone.

Someone else mentioned the localization team. Which I do have to agree on. Translations aren't always the best. So instead of looking at the devs, look at the localization team as well.

Originally Posted by nobleboivin

Complaining about it on the forums isn't going to make Square undo months of work that has already been set in stone.

I mean, people complained on the forums (and elsewhere) about the lackluster voice performance in the final trial, and Square went and re-did all of it.

Originally Posted by nobleboivin

all this fan rage over a fictional character that will be irrelevant in a few patches is pointless and really not healthy, especially when certain folk want a character to get killed. .

I mean, people enjoy discussing fictional stories and people often hope for unpopular/annoying characters to get killed off in books, film, television, comics, any media really. It's not all that serious or unhealthy.

Wuk haters are making themselves look ridiculous. There was nothing to complain about with her implementation in the patch MSQ so y'all are just hallucinating things to be mad about now

Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Wuk haters are making themselves look ridiculous. There was nothing to complain about with her implementation in the patch MSQ so y'all are just hallucinating things to be mad about now

she poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses and you're laughing

Originally Posted by Rolder50

I mean, people complained on the forums (and elsewhere) about the lackluster voice performance in the final trial, and Square went and re-did all of it.

A couple of voice lines redone in the final trial vs an entire rewrite of 7.1 and patches beyond... Please tell me you don't actually believe this is comparable?

Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Is it really "out of nowhere", in context I mean, it's the capital city of the nation she is co-monarch of, she is known to try her best to stay close to her people so her wandering around during her free time makes sense, and WoL sat down to eat at one of her favorite restaurants in town, I just interpreted the scene as "She was going to grab lunch, then go personally meet WoL at their cabin right after, and a minor coincidence saved her time".

To some degree I think so, like if we ignore the city is scaled down so it’s manageable to navigate for a video game, it shouldnt be that easy to bump into us like that. IDK the IRL size equivalent of Tulliyollal but I’m imagining as is the Mayor or a city was just walking around, decided to stop at Denny’s for lunch and ran into one of their employees that coincidentally they needed to talk to about work stuff.

But Tulliyollal does seem very walkable so maybe I should imagine it more like Wuk Lamat as Andy Griffith and Tulliyollal as Mayberry. Then running into people the way she does seems to be more believable IMO.

Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I don't think that's how Lamaty'l operates tbh, not with someone like WoL whom she outright says she considers to be like family, if you were an unknown envoy from another nation, sure, but WoL means more to her than just taking the cold yet practical route.

I don’t think sending a letter is cold, just practical. At minimum she does know we’re an Adventurer who likes to explore (part of why we turned down the job offer right?) so it just seems a little impractical, so maybe why not so both? I could kinda see her expectations of hoping to run into us if we were a Tulliyollal resident. But we’re not so IMO her first thought shouldnt be “Hope I run into WoL while I do my walkabout cuz I gotta bring up this event in Alexandria that’s happening in a few hours.”

I actually found her fairly tolerable this go-around since they seem to have at least shied away from making her constantly hog the screentime past when it's actually necessary.

The presence of the Scions still feels extremely superficial and frivolous, though.