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  1. #21
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    NobleWinter's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Winter Gem
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    I looked at a video about healers back then and how the pmayer base complained whats funny is that cause ppl complained about it they got what they wanted only to realise it wasn't what they wanted. As a dev once said You think you want it but you really dont want it. XD oh and the youtuber in question was Xeno. He brought it up anout the current status of healers and why the changes are both the player base and dev fault.
    Let's also remember this game is a decade old now. People who complained about healer difficulty in Heavensward have had 6 years to grow as players. Making everything easy to pickup for new people inevitably will lead to veterans being bored. Older feedback could have been perfectly reasonable but changes that happen two years later, or 4 years later, or 6 years later to address those concerns is clearly no longer relevant to those same people. The dev team could be using every single patch to try out new things but we have seen little to no creativity or vision for class design in multiple expansions for healers. Sage is the newest healer and shares 70% of it's kit with Scholar. The player base is not the core of the problem here.
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  2. #22
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    Teno's Avatar
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    Teno Gestalt
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    I looked at a video about healers back then and how the pmayer base complained whats funny is that cause ppl complained about it they got what they wanted only to realise it wasn't what they wanted. As a dev once said You think you want it but you really dont want it. XD oh and the youtuber in question was Xeno. He brought it up anout the current status of healers and why the changes are both the player base and dev fault.
    Do your research before you come out of nowhere with this nonsense wtf... If it's the same streamer I'm thinking about he's got a LOT of terrible takes. Still, the few complaints from the international community came from game mechanics as a whole, and how the kits interacted with them. Multiple of which have been dumbed down to oblivion anyway. AND even then it was a minority of healers. Ie cleric stance, fairy, whm vs sch, etc...
    But what's more, the healer gameplay got obliterated too, where everything's supremely stale and you spam a button 95% of the time as a healer, in most content.
    So you end up with the current "healer" role.

    That being said, it's true that japanese "healers" like their 111 gameplay, and since the devs only take into account japanese feedback, we're screwed. Hence the dev/player fault. Multiple of us have tried giving feedback over there since it's useless here, only to be met with disdain.

    There, you're caught up to speed...
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    Last edited by Teno; 11-18-2024 at 08:30 AM.

  3. #23
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Do your research before you come out of nowhere with this nonsense wtf... If it's the same streamer I'm thinking about he's got a LOT of terrible takes. Still, the few complaints from the international community came from game mechanics as a whole, and how the kits interacted with them. Multiple of which have been dumbed down to oblivion anyway. AND even then it was a minority of healers. Ie cleric stance, fairy, whm vs sch, etc...
    But what's more, the healer gameplay got obliterated too, where everything's supremely stale and you spam a button 95% of the time as a healer, in most content.
    So you end up with the current "healer" role.

    That being said, it's true that japanese "healers" like their 111 gameplay, and since the devs only take into account japanese feedback, we're screwed. Hence the dev/player fault. Multiple of us have tried giving feedback over there since it's useless here, only to be met with disdain.

    There, you're caught up to speed...
    Thank you, pretty much what I was in the middle of saying, but you said it much better. I would only add that any "dev" that says that - while there is sometime s a grain of truth in that- you DON'T say it in that way- it's way too condescending, an particularly so in this game, when communication with healers has been pathetic.
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