7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[HeavenlyArmed]

I wanted to actually try DRG before commenting but I knew I'd despise these changes and oh hell do I ever. The job feels so damn bland now. Yes, it's only two extra oGCD presses but they already gutted Geirskogul as a 30 oGCD. Now you're basically doing nothing after your burst but spam 123. They've reduced what used to be a fun, busy job in a boring and bland husk. Heck, tanks (mostly GNB) have a more interesting DPS suite than DRG now and that's so incredibly sad.

Dragoon was my baby even though I mostly play tank these days but I just don't even want to look at it now.

Yep. I gave it a quick try through a Normal Raid Roulette earlier, landed myself in P10N, so level 90 content. I was done my burst halfway through my buff timer. Let me repeat that. I ran out of buttons to press for a burst window halfway through the burst window, on the job where its core identity is having a busy burst window. I dread what it's going to feel like in level 70 and 80 content, particularly as someone who loves to go back into old Ultimates on a regular basis.

[KaliG]

What gets me is that this is like, say for Paladin: removing all of the blades and going back to only one confiteor. Or DRK: if delerium only gave you one stack, or Dancer being capped at one feather every burst window.
Why remove a core skill when you could remove something generic like life surge? Or better yet, LET US HAVE A BUSY CLASS.

Also just... it is so weird having 20 seconds to do Nastrond, stardiver, starcross, that takes 9 seconds to weave. With 3 Nastrond and 15 seconds to weave the full burst the timer used to make sense, there was urgency to hitting your nastronds and stardiver/cross. I've lost starcross and nastronds to chaos in a fight. That's good. It makes me want to try harder. Playing today, that urgency is gone now.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Welcome Dragoons, how is the Viper Treatment? isnt it delicious?

[HeavenlyArmed]

Welcome Dragoons, how is the Viper Treatment? isnt it delicious?

Kinda ironically Viper is one of the jobs I'm considering swapping to after these changes. Not that I'm exactly happy with the direction it went with the changes in 7.05, but right now my priority is to contribute to a drop in the number of people playing DRG to further send the message about how bad these changes are, and aside from RPR which is also deeply flawed at level 100 it's the only melee I have ready.

[VerySadDRG]

The only positive I had for 7.0 "rework" was 3 Nastrond stacks during 1 min burst window, but Square managed to screw up even that. It is really sad to see my favorite job since I started playing in Stormblood devolve into this boring mess with 0 identity left.

[BigsliceDeepdish]

bruhhhh

take our tether
take OUR JUMPS
take the jankfun animation lock
take the eyes on my gauge
take the buttom spam
take away the fun positional combos

What on earth are they thinking? I have been so unmotivated to play since Dawntrail released. I thought DRG was lobotomized already, somehow they've made it worse.

I guess I'll keep trudging through a bland MSQ so I can play a bland job?

[DemiBajamut]

Posting to show my support, I'm not a Dragoon main but it's one of my favorite jobs, the devs need to stop killing job identity and let jobs be unique. Stop ruining gameplay by turning every job into something different and more bland. The whole reason I leveled up every job to 100 was to have fun learning them all and what makes them different. If I don't like how it plays, I can play one of the other many jobs. I love that Dragoon is all about being super busy with a ton of oGCDs, stop taking that away.

[Xaiken]

Joined XIV on the last week of SB and have been Dragoon from ARR until EW. Only reason I swapped to VPR was cause I wanted DT to be a new chapter for my WoL. DRG has always been the job defined, in my opinion, as a Buffer, Long GCD and many oGCDs, and of course Jumping. I would always praise DRG for being one of the most fluid jobs where you never felt a moment of slowness despite the long GCD because of the abundant oGCDs. But I want to know, who asked for this?

You took away Dragon Sight but I tolerated it. You took away Spineshatter Jump but I tolerated it. You took away Nastrond, now I question if you understand DRG's identity because to those of us who have played DRG over these years are beginning to not recognize it. I want to know who asked for this and if they actually play DRG or just complaining because they aren't good enough.

7.0 DRG was fun, it was busy, and that was the point. If people want to slow down they should play other jobs with more weaving freedom. If you wanted to free up weaving for DRG, get rid of Life Surge and give us an actual useful personal mitigation thats not tied to damage.

[Xaiken]

Quick add: If they really wanted to free up weave windows they should have removed Life Surge and sped up Stardiver animation. That there is 3 free weaves without taking away actual damaging attacks. I personally do not know of any DRG mains that actually like Life Surge and Stardiver animation lock.

And for those who believe Life Surge is a defensive ability, that heal has never been available or mattered when extra self healing was needed. It only serves to function like SAM's Kaiten and we all know what happened there. Just give DRG an actual defensive ability instead of tiptoeing around a line no one wants to be there.

[Aco505]

Quick add: If they really wanted to free up weave windows they should have removed Life Surge and sped up Stardiver animation. That there is 3 free weaves without taking away actual damaging attacks. I personally do not know of any DRG mains that actually like Life Surge and Stardiver animation lock.

And for those who believe Life Surge is a defensive ability, that heal has never been available or mattered when extra self healing was needed. It only serves to function like SAM's Kaiten and we all know what happened there. Just give DRG an actual defensive ability instead of tiptoeing around a line no one wants to be there.

Stardiver's animation lock should stay as it is. It's a specific quality that makes it feel like our strongest jump. The potencies of STD and Starcross should be swapped to account for the former being a single weave and to provide actual power to the longer animation lock.

As for Life Surge, it's only similar to SAM's Kaiten in that it buffs a weaponskill but the comparison ends there. Kaiten had to be used with every single Iaijutsu, effectively meaning that you'd always need to save gauge for it. Life Surge has limited charges and can only be used with certain GCDs. As explained in my previous comment, Life Surge also changes every burst window slightly due to the GCD loop not being a multiple of 30.