7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[Reldhir]

Ah, the rash is back. Remember guys, picking at it just makes it worse.

That being said, I do respect yall fighting the good fight. As a long time DRG main spear-enthusiast, I don\\'t think SE cares very much about the feedback. We were warned by our Smn bros and our Drk bros, our Mnk bros and all the bros that came before us. The rework meant the future wasn\\'t looking bright. Still, I chose to believe this time would be different, this time things would work out for the better because the alternative was just too sad, this reality is too sad.

But the reality is, other jobs that have been reworked into brain-off button mash...(err can we even call it mash?) Maybe brain-off leisurely button taps that cater to the lowest common denominator havent improved either despite our bros from other jobs having fought for change for years. Its not looking good bois.

I knew something was up when Yoshi P out of the blue started commenting that he was still super invested in ff14 despite barely anyone even questioning it in the first place. It just screamed the guy who wants to be elsewhere but is like huh yeah im still listening babe, promise *kissykiss*

Boi has checked out. Its evident from the direction of endwalker and now dawntrail. Quality is slipping across the board. Patch cycles have increased yet time between content has only stretched out even further past regular patches. Game gets simplified, job gets simplified all for what we presume was them streamlining things so content could come out faster. But we\\'ve had the opposite. As a long time fan and supporter of the game, my first instinct is that it feels like a kick in the teeth, but after thinking a bit more, I still enjoyed all the time I had with the game and just because the game is is decline now doesnt take away from that.

The game isn\\'t made for those of us who have been here since the start anymore. I don\\'t know the numbers but maybe someome over as SE thinks theres more money in the casual simplified slowed down pace, or maybe they too have burnt out. The game has been going for a long time now. And weve had a good run.

As an old boi, I do miss what ff14 was. Ive been here since 1.0 and I don\\'t make excuses for the sorry state it launched in but I do miss the direction it was taking. 2.0 hit and things were simplified but the reasoning given was that it would take the game in a direction where they could focus more on creating new experiences rather than putting out the fires of half realised pipe dreams. What we were sold on was exciting. Open field primals that FCs could win the rights to summon, FC airships that you would take expeditions on with your friends, A reworked LB/battle regimen system where you queue skills with your party members to do a synchronized super attack, gear and materia that would augment your abilities outside of mere stat bonuses and many more promises lost to time.

Went off topic with my oldman nostalgia rambling what were we supposed to talk about again? Oh right DRG is cool, it used to be cooler though. #drgwasharderin2023

[HikariKurosawa]

boomer rambling about the "good old days"

It's just funny how subjective this all is. This game has really complicated and involved rotations relative to any other game. You say that it's gotten worse and worse, but for me the game has never stopped improving as I've played through all the content. Dawntrail combat design is way better than ever before for me.

I already know you disagree, but that's just how it is. You say yoshi has checked out, but maybe he just likes the game to feel differently than you. Because for me, this game feels amazing now. He likely is still super invested in it, just can't relate to what you want anymore. It's important to not project your own interests onto the devs. They likely do not want what you want. As someone who actively tries to conform to what the devs want in the games I play, I appreciate the game design. The moment I stop relating to the vision of the devs, I go somewhere else. I wonder why that's so hard for you to do. Maybe if people like you actually left the game, you'd make a difference and get what you want. You said your piece, they know what you want and why you're disappointed, now just move along.

I'm not trolling you, it's just that life is way too short to live the way you are living. I feel bad for you that you keep engaging in a system you are so disappointed with. You think the devs dont know what they are doing or aren't creating the game they want, but maybe it's literally just you and the people who share your sentiment. Maybe this game is all you have to live for though, who knows.

[DiscreteSamurai]

Please make hit detection for Drakesbane shorter, thanks.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Alright friends, no PvE job changes in the patch notes whatsoever, looks like we're in this one for the long haul! Strap in, it's going to be a long 4 months until the next chance we could get our buttons back.

[VerySadDRG]

Strap in, it's going to be a long 4 months until the next chance we could get our buttons back.

Tbh, at this point it's hard to believe it's ever gonna happen.

[CidHeiral]

To be brutally honest I wouldn't expect much to change until the supposed 8.0 job design overhaul and even then their track record so far doesn't give me a ton of confidence. However, to be fair they delivered on what they said they would with the encounter design changes in my opinion so it's certainly possible the same may happen for job design. I suppose we'll see.

[Aco505]

However, to be fair they delivered on what they said they would with the encounter design changes

In theory, this happens from 7.2 onward so... we will know around April.

[CidHeiral]

In theory, this happens from 7.2 onward so... we will know around April.

Oh I thought he clarified he was mistranslated on that? If 7.2 is accurate that would be great.

[ovIm]

Oh I thought he clarified he was mistranslated on that? If 7.2 is accurate that would be great.

There was a mistranslation going about 7.2 including new job design changes. That was corrected however, 7.2 is where the new encounter design should appear, which is supposed to pave the way for a new job design base.

I'll believe it when i see it.

[Carighan]

I wish in situations like these they'd at least pre-empt the community dislike for it and try to explain properly why they're doing something.

See, if my myopic view makes me think 90%+ loved the super-busy double-weaving burst but it turns out that no, that's just 90% of the english-speaking + PF + reclears/farming + EU community and for the game at large their stats produce that of all Dragoons in lvl100 savage content only 1 out of 6 or so GCD windows during burst is correctly woven and hence overall even if they're quiet it seems most players cannot work with the current design even just in high-end content, then fair enough. But I need to be told that! (made-up example, just getting the idea along)

I wish they'd do that. Open with "Yeah this might be a wee bit of a controversial change, here's why we're doing it though, based on XYZ". Even if that's "We had issues with animation scripting and we're working on something else and while this is purely a negative thing we need to patch it now so that in 2-3 patches we can do X"... hey... better than no explanation!