7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[AbbyNorml4]

That and SSD! Why take that away!? Literally the fun of DRG is gone now. Even if it was a non damage traversal I would be happy with that instead of yet another stupid dash.. and I do not care about the dragon shape that pops up. Feels like a cop out to me. The whole fun of dragoon was the jumping around and they stripped that out completely..

[iiOmarSP]

Reading through this thread since I last replied, it really is just funny to read cause we have someone pretending they have a clear idea on how to play a job at the current max level when they have never ATTEMPTED to run content or anything with it at Lv100, and everyone else simply want this job to be actually *fun* to play.

Objectively speaking, this job is super unfun to play after the patch had dropped, and no amount of damage modifiers is going to make the job better If the entire nature of the job isn't there. Do you want a maiming job that is easy to learn and also have access to the same gear sets? its called Reaper, and was introduced in the last expansion. You should give it a try if you want a brain dead maiming job than ask for the other one to be nerfed.

Simply put, the forums are the most likely place for devs to see the feedback for any change, and the fact of the matter is: There is absolutely no one in favor of this change, and we are simply doing what we are supposed to do: giving FEEDBACK
There is absolutely no preference to this: the job plays worse and everyone wants to see it be better.

Use your brain to make the world a better place, not to parse 99.

You should also read and take up your own advice rather than constantly yap here in the forums, every single day, about how so many people like this change when its just you arguing with most people here about how they should consume product and never ask questions, rather than give feedback on this change.

[HikariKurosawa]

Objectively speaking, this job is super unfun to play after the patch had dropped

Fun itself is a subjective concept. I don't want to play reaper lol, I like the job fantasy of dragoon and the animations. You just like mashing lots of buttons fast. Since you're suggesting me to play another job for gameplay, this means you must have no attachment to the fantasy of dragoon. So just play a different job yourself. Dragoon has always been one of the simpler melee jobs in the game. Play ninja, play samurai, play something else yourself.

It's okay to give feedback, just recognize that you're stating subjective positions and don't try to argue with other people for expressing their subjective opinions.

There's no need to try to struggle for an echo chamber, it's not happening. State your case and be confident in it, stop yammering about the validity of differing opinions.

I get that you feel a certain way, speak for yourself.

The forums being a place for feedback statement goes both ways. I have never tried to invalidate your opinions or perspective, I just say that I like the way the game has changed and you decide that's a reason to argue. I explain why I like it, and you try to silence my perspective for what? Because you want an echo chamber. It's not happening lol. Get over it and move on.

Even if the majority of people were celebrating the changes and there was only a minority of people going against them, I wouldn't try to censor the opinions of the people who dislike them. It's okay to express your feedback. Go ahead with it. Stop crying over other people enjoying change.

[brinn12]

You're doing the same as the people you're criticizing, though. You think it's objective that these questions are subjective. It's not objective. They already gave you the arguments as to why you are wrong, yet you ignored them. It's fine. Just know you're not doing any different.

Not only are they objective, it's something the developers usually only realize when it's too late. Pushing away long-time MMO players is never a good decision.

They are making the game unfun, slowly removing all of the things the old school players liked. And replacing it with predictable, easy and less creative content. Job design is only the tip of the iceberg. While fun is subjective, what matters to the developers is the best decision for the game.

[HikariKurosawa]

You're doing the same as the people you're criticizing, though. You think it's objective that these questions are subjective. It's not objective. They already gave you the arguments as to why you are wrong, yet you ignored them. It's fine. Just know you're not doing any different.

Not only are they objective, it's something the developers usually only realize when it's too late. Pushing away long-time MMO players is never a good decision.

They are making the game unfun, slowly removing all of the things the old school players liked. And replacing it with predictable, easy and less creative content. Job design is only the tip of the iceberg. While fun is subjective, what matters to the developers is the best decision for the game.

You can't just arbitrarily make subjective opinions objective rofl. Yes, I get that your feelings are real. They're still subject to your own preferences and opinions.

I've never done the same thing the people I am criticizing are doing though. You should read my language better. Why would I consider their opinions? It's not rocket science, I understand exactly where you are all coming from, I just don't see eye to eye and don't want what you want. I understand why the devs make the decisions they are making, and I appreciate them.

Everything else you say is just you pushing your own agenda, so what's the point in me as an individual taking it seriously? I don't want what you want, at the end of the day it's up to the devs, but as it is going, I support the direction the devs are pushing the game in.

If they go with what you want, that's fine. I will just unsubscribe and play something else. I'm easy come easy go. I think you should learn from me, if you want to be happy and make a difference in the game direction. Vote with your wallet.

Honestly though, I don't think they want the old school players around anymore. For several expansions all you have been doing is complaining and doomsaying about the direction of the game. Maybe they are trying to push this negative part of the community away. There are tons of people who are happy with the game and the way it is going. Maybe you're just not wanted here anymore. If you don't like what you're buying, stop buying it. Simple concept. If you're struggling with addiction, get help.

[HeavenlyArmed]

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I have never once in this conversation come at you with anything subjective. You claimed that rotations were getting more and more complicated over time, that the game itself was getting more and more complicated over time, and that Dragoon was getting more and more busy over time. I demonstrated with examples why none of those things are true. What is subjective is our preferences. Yes, you have made clear you prefer the game being very simple, and I and everyone else in this thread have made clear that we prefer having at least some level of complexity. We're all allowed to have those preferences. But in service of defending your preferences you have constantly made objectively untrue claims about the game and about Dragoon. Also, you have absolutely tried to invalidate other people's opinions. Since you forgot, here are some examples of when you did that in both this and the other DRG threads.

I'm just glad most of you are never going to be involved in creating games.

Getting a bit contrived now aren't you?

This thread has to be satire, or you just wanted to show off your character's glam during cool poses with your ultimate weapon.

There are like 10-20 people trying to create an echo chamber of disapproval in this thread. Most people who are happy about the game spend their free time playing it, not whinging on the forums.

I agree with the devs, not the crybabies on the forums. Also no, I'm not going to make my own thread and let this one become an echo chamber of complaints. Sorry kid.

Nobody is crazy here, it's just weird that you think your perspective matters.

Alexa, play cry me a river by justin timberlake

Not a no-life ffxiv tryhard like you, I got better things to do than sit around playing games all day crying on the forums about square pandering to people who don't treat the game like their career.

[iiOmarSP]

Fun itself is a subjective concept. I don't want to play reaper lol, I like the job fantasy of dragoon and the animations. You just like mashing lots of buttons fast. Since you're suggesting me to play another job for gameplay, this means you must have no attachment to the fantasy of dragoon. So just play a different job yourself. Dragoon has always been one of the simpler melee jobs in the game. Play ninja, play samurai, play something else yourself.

Fun IS subjective yes, but at the same time: being miserable to play is also: a valid reason as to why people don't like it and therefore: Not fun to play.
I also play another Melee job, Ninja being my secondary, but I much prefer Dragoon due to its nature and aesthetics, being a busy job in BURST which is the absolute POINT.
And yes, I do have a attachment to its settings and fantasy aspects.

It's okay to give feedback, just recognize that you're stating subjective positions and don't try to argue with other people for expressing their subjective opinions.
There's no need to try to struggle for an echo chamber, it's not happening. State your case and be confident in it, stop yammering about the validity of differing opinions.

Which is exactly what everyone IS doing: they are Giving Feedback as to why they think this change is absolutely horrible, and while all of that is happening, you are over here with your little echo chamber of "everyone agrees with me", acting as if its just three or four people that complains, when pretty much only you in this ENTIRE THREAD, saying that its a "good change" without actually having any experience in it. So anything you say about the subject matter pretty much comes off as being disingenuous.

I get that you feel a certain way, speak for yourself.
The forums being a place for feedback statement goes both ways. I have never tried to invalidate your opinions or perspective, I just say that I like the way the game has changed and you decide that's a reason to argue. I explain why I like it, and you try to silence my perspective for what? Because you want an echo chamber. It's not happening lol. Get over it and move on.

So for that, there is one response to it:

You should also read and take up your own advice rather than constantly yap here in the forums, every single day, about how so many people like this change when its just you arguing with most people here about how they should consume product and never ask questions, rather than give feedback on this change.

[HikariKurosawa]

What's your point? I am stating my own opinion, not saying yours is invalid. Just expressing my disagreement with it personally and siding with the devs.

The other thing is, it's not simple at all the way it is now. It's just well designed.

[iiOmarSP]

Even if the majority of people were celebrating the changes and there was only a minority of people going against them, I wouldn't try to censor the opinions of the people who dislike them. It's okay to express your feedback. Go ahead with it. Stop crying over other people enjoying change.

And throughout this whole thread you were just going back and forth with the majority who voiced their distaste and dislike for this change, as if you want to censor everyone who doesn't line up with what you claim as "good change"
And while we are at it, stop having your insecurities kick in the moment someone comes over here saying "I've made an account to say that I don't like this change", "I don't like these changes, they should do this instead" than to tell me "stop crying over other people enjoying change" cause if anything, we are only seeing one person (that being you) immediately becoming upset the moment someone says anything here.

[HeavenlyArmed]

I am stating my own opinion, not saying yours is invalid.

Calling people crybabies for having a different opinion isn't implying their opinion is invalid? Saying someone's thread must be satire because you disagree isn't stating their opinion is invalid? Saying that it's weird people think their perspective matters isn't invalidating their opinion? Saying you're "glad most of [us] are never going to be involved in making games" isn't invalidating our opinions? You may need to learn how language works instead of spending so much time on the forums.