7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[Aco505]

My dudes, you're all taking the troll bait hard, and doing so only makes the feedback here more difficult to parse for whoever collects it for the devs.

To add a couple of points to this. You're trying to argue with someone that thinks that you need plugins to hit all your positionals when doing mechanics; you're cheating if you can do both properly.

Someone that now claims to just be giving his opinion but has shut others' opinions by calling them "noob" or "weak". In fact, the latter was removed from the specific comment because I guess he thought it was too much.

If you have the energy to keep arguing, by all means, but you're gonna require infinite patience.

[HikariKurosawa]

To add a couple of points to this. You're trying to argue with someone that thinks that you need plugins to hit all your positionals when doing mechanics; you're cheating if you can do both properly.

Someone that now claims to just be giving his opinion but has shut others' opinions by calling them "noob" or "weak". In fact, the latter was removed from the specific comment because I guess he thought it was too much.

If you have the energy to keep arguing, by all means, but you're gonna require infinite patience.

Why would anyone argue with me though? Of course you'd need infinite patience to engage in a neverending "argument" lol. It's subjective opinions. The reason I am speaking up is so people can get a sense for where the devs are coming from and probably move on with their lives instead of wasting them complaining about changes that are most likely here to stay.

There is no right and wrong in this entire thread. Everyone is just stating what they enjoy and hoping the devs side with them. Currently the devs side with me, if they sided with you I would just unsubscribe and move on like I have done in the past.

I edited the weak remark out because yes, it was too far and it was not necessary to convey the point I was making.

It's disingenuous to claim I am trolling just because I disagree with you though.

To get back to the real discussion rather than sticking on your insistence that you're not invalidating people's opinions, let's go back to this. Dragoon may not be simple the way it is now in your opinion, but as I demonstrated in these two comments, it is the most simple it has been since the start of Stormblood.

Sure, in one way it is simpler because they removed eye management. As far as button inputs go though, it is more complex than ever. Only pre-7.1 dawntrail had more complex inputs.

[HeavenlyArmed]

To add a couple of points to this. You're trying to argue with someone that thinks that you need plugins to hit all your positionals when doing mechanics; you're cheating if you can do both properly.

Someone that now claims to just be giving his opinion but has shut others' opinions by calling them "noob" or "weak". In fact, the latter was removed from the specific comment because I guess he thought it was too much.

If you have the energy to keep arguing, by all means, but you're gonna require infinite patience.

Ultimately that was why I posted that big list of all his comments, in hopes of demonstrating why he's not worth generally engaging with. It's just too bad that it has derailed the thread away from the main point of "we don't want our buttons being taken away, but if you're going to do it pick buttons that are less fun to press and aren't the entire reason that pre-7.1 Dragoon felt good to play in sub-level-100 content." Still, there is a lot of good feedback in this thread, and while it may be hard to parse it remains true that this is by far the most active a thread in the job design forum has been in quite some time, which I would hope suggests to whoever's collecting the feedback that this is a change a serious number of people take issue with.

[coffeebiscuit]

Stop answer the troll, please. All that wonderful feedback bout dragoon now being mixed with replies to the troll that definitely just here to piss you all.

[HikariKurosawa]

Stop answer the troll, please. All that wonderful feedback bout dragoon now being mixed with replies to the troll that definitely just here to piss you all.

Or, I would genuinely be unhappy with the game if they rolled back the changes they've implemented to dragoon. Definitely all about you though. The level of egocentric and entitled behavior I'm seeing in this thread is pretty wild.

You're free to express your opinions, just like I am free to say that I disagree and prefer the way the job plays now.

The reason I keep posting is because I care about the job staying this way, just like the reason you are posting. Nobody is trolling here, except for the people who say that "nobody wanted these changes". I did, I never enjoyed managing eyes, nor do I consider that a defining trait of the job. It was a clunky mechanic that made the gameplay flow poorly moment to moment.

But it's fine, keep pretending you're the only ones that matter.

"but there are 20-30 of us who really dislike the changes!! some of us even made a forum account just to complain!!"

[Reldhir]

Ah, the rash is back. Remember guys, picking at it just makes it worse.

That being said, I do respect yall fighting the good fight. As a long time DRG main spear-enthusiast, I don\\'t think SE cares very much about the feedback. We were warned by our Smn bros and our Drk bros, our Mnk bros and all the bros that came before us. The rework meant the future wasn\\'t looking bright. Still, I chose to believe this time would be different, this time things would work out for the better because the alternative was just too sad, this reality is too sad.

But the reality is, other jobs that have been reworked into brain-off button mash...(err can we even call it mash?) Maybe brain-off leisurely button taps that cater to the lowest common denominator havent improved either despite our bros from other jobs having fought for change for years. Its not looking good bois.

I knew something was up when Yoshi P out of the blue started commenting that he was still super invested in ff14 despite barely anyone even questioning it in the first place. It just screamed the guy who wants to be elsewhere but is like huh yeah im still listening babe, promise *kissykiss*

Boi has checked out. Its evident from the direction of endwalker and now dawntrail. Quality is slipping across the board. Patch cycles have increased yet time between content has only stretched out even further past regular patches. Game gets simplified, job gets simplified all for what we presume was them streamlining things so content could come out faster. But we\\'ve had the opposite. As a long time fan and supporter of the game, my first instinct is that it feels like a kick in the teeth, but after thinking a bit more, I still enjoyed all the time I had with the game and just because the game is is decline now doesnt take away from that.

The game isn\\'t made for those of us who have been here since the start anymore. I don\\'t know the numbers but maybe someome over as SE thinks theres more money in the casual simplified slowed down pace, or maybe they too have burnt out. The game has been going for a long time now. And weve had a good run.

As an old boi, I do miss what ff14 was. Ive been here since 1.0 and I don\\'t make excuses for the sorry state it launched in but I do miss the direction it was taking. 2.0 hit and things were simplified but the reasoning given was that it would take the game in a direction where they could focus more on creating new experiences rather than putting out the fires of half realised pipe dreams. What we were sold on was exciting. Open field primals that FCs could win the rights to summon, FC airships that you would take expeditions on with your friends, A reworked LB/battle regimen system where you queue skills with your party members to do a synchronized super attack, gear and materia that would augment your abilities outside of mere stat bonuses and many more promises lost to time.

Went off topic with my oldman nostalgia rambling what were we supposed to talk about again? Oh right DRG is cool, it used to be cooler though. #drgwasharderin2023

[HikariKurosawa]

boomer rambling about the "good old days"

It's just funny how subjective this all is. This game has really complicated and involved rotations relative to any other game. You say that it's gotten worse and worse, but for me the game has never stopped improving as I've played through all the content. Dawntrail combat design is way better than ever before for me.

I already know you disagree, but that's just how it is. You say yoshi has checked out, but maybe he just likes the game to feel differently than you. Because for me, this game feels amazing now. He likely is still super invested in it, just can't relate to what you want anymore. It's important to not project your own interests onto the devs. They likely do not want what you want. As someone who actively tries to conform to what the devs want in the games I play, I appreciate the game design. The moment I stop relating to the vision of the devs, I go somewhere else. I wonder why that's so hard for you to do. Maybe if people like you actually left the game, you'd make a difference and get what you want. You said your piece, they know what you want and why you're disappointed, now just move along.

I'm not trolling you, it's just that life is way too short to live the way you are living. I feel bad for you that you keep engaging in a system you are so disappointed with. You think the devs dont know what they are doing or aren't creating the game they want, but maybe it's literally just you and the people who share your sentiment. Maybe this game is all you have to live for though, who knows.

[DiscreteSamurai]

Please make hit detection for Drakesbane shorter, thanks.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Alright friends, no PvE job changes in the patch notes whatsoever, looks like we're in this one for the long haul! Strap in, it's going to be a long 4 months until the next chance we could get our buttons back.

[VerySadDRG]

Strap in, it's going to be a long 4 months until the next chance we could get our buttons back.

Tbh, at this point it's hard to believe it's ever gonna happen.