Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

What you seem to miss is that you need an active sub to even post on the forums, meaning that if you just unsub then you're not sending any specific message to the devs about what you take issue with. That's what this thread is, sending the message about what we think is wrong with a change as it happens, to be clear that we don't like it. And considering this is by far the most active thread right now in the jobs section of the EN forums, and everyone except you who has posted here has been actively displeased with this change, there's a good chance that message comes across so we don't need to take more drastic action in response. Though also to be clear, I expect from reading most of these replies that there will absolutely people who unsub as a result of this change if it's not reverted as well, we're just giving the devs a chance to fix it before that happens.

You know when you unsub it gives you a prompt to explain why you're unsubbing right? Who are they going to consider, people who remain subbed while giving kneejerk reactions on the forums, or people who unsub and explain why they are unhappy with the game in the space provided to voice your reasoning for unsubbing?

I almost guarantee none of the people complaining in this thread are going to unsub from the game as a result of these changes. You'll throw a little fit, adapt, and realize that the devs actually know what they are doing and it is better this way.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You'll throw a little fit, adapt, and realize that the devs actually know what they are doing and it is better this way.

Frankly, in this case I don't think they do, and I have plenty of examples for that. As I stated in the initial post, my biggest concern is how the job feels with this change from levels 70-90. Which is to say, it feels AWFUL in any pre-level 100 content now. Forget feeling busy, if you single-weave your OGCDs at level 70 you run out of buttons to press in your burst less than halfway through your bugg timers. If you do double weave it happens sooner, and even at level 90 you can spend nearly half of your "burst window" just doing your basic rotation because the devs have taken away the ability to do anything else. And this isn't the first time they've implemented a job change in a way that leaves a job feeling miserable at an earlier level. Viper's changes have that job feeling empty until you hit level 90. Reaper was implemented in a way that felt not fun until level 80 and has received no change to that. A ton of the tanks and healers are notably missing key tools at these levels, and the devs have shown no interest in addressing any of that. With all that said, I wanted to also address some of the other comments you've made.

"content gets harder every expansion and on top of that they add more complexity to the rotations"

This literally doesn't happen. This Savage tier was one of the easiest in a very long time, and jobs always get some amount of pruning (as did DRG going into DT) to ensure that to the devs' standard the jobs remain at a similar level of complexity from expansion to expansion.

"I think the real minority is people who want this game to feel like a job." "...the jobs should just feel good to play without needing to make them require a PHD to execute the rotation consistently."

If needing to press buttons faster for 20 seconds every two minutes "feels like a job" or "requires a PhD" in your eyes that really does seem more like a problem with you, plus there are plenty of jobs that do not have that playstyle that you can try. DRG is the job that has this identity, and clearly it is an identity that its players very much enjoy.

"There are very few people who enjoy the experience of "just getting by" with "non-optimal" play."

Pictured above: a person who has never done an expert roulette in their entire life lmao

"most people don't want rotations designed the way the people who primarily post on the forums do."

I think you missed the sheer number of replies to this thread that start with "I don't normally post on the forums" or even "I made a forum account specifically to express my concerns about this." People are coming from other places to make their voices heard, because the forums are the one place the devs actually look at feedback.

I applaud HeavenlyArmed's patience but I honestly don't see much point in debating with "Dragoon level 92" who has never tried the rotation at 100.

Like... please try the rotation before deciding you know better than all the people who have played the class?

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

That's not what sells though.

Ah, the good old "but it makes money" argument, used when you have nothing else to say. Tell me this then, how exactly did Square made money in ShB and EW, when DRG had, y'know, actual job mechanics and was FUN to play?

Originally Posted by VerySadDRG

Ah, the good old "but it makes money" argument, used when you have nothing else to say. Tell me this then, how exactly did Square made money in ShB and EW, when DRG had, y'know, actual job mechanics and was FUN to play?

They made less money than they do now.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

They made less money than they do now.

So all of those money are made just because of DRG changes? Really doubt that. Also wonder how much Square is making thanks to BLM rn, but I guess its sorry state is also what "capitalism" wants.

And looking at what people say in this thread, they are about to lose some customers, lmao.
But go on, encourage bad job design with "muh capitalism" logic, at least it is hilarious to read.

I'm in the same boat as a lot of others here, made this purely to at least try to voice my concerns that MIGHT be heard.

Out of all the options (mainly Life Surge and Mirage Dive) why Nastrond? The lvl 70 capstone skill that just feels good to press? Typing this inbetween Prae cutscenes levelling Ninja because i'll probably swap to it for DSR prog since it just feels awful to play after what we used to have.

Genuinely mind boggling change that has to get reverted, right? As others have stated aswell, if people want a less busy job, play a less busy job?? You have so many absolutely boring options, why target the jobs that actually require a teeny tiny bit of thought to properly execute? Jesus christ man

Originally Posted by Hartzbefehl

Out of all the options (mainly Life Surge and Mirage Dive) why Nastrond?

why target the jobs that actually require a teeny tiny bit of thought to properly execute?

The irony of this complaint.... lol. You wanted them to target life surge and mirage dive, the primary two aspects of the job that require thought.... then complain about them removing nastrond and suggest that it would have taken more thought to press nastrond 3 times per burst in lieu of managing mirage dive and life surge optimally?

Like............ It's very disingenuous. Almost as disingenuous as the people calling me a troll.