Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

Have you tried reading? "After buffs" is clearly stated in there as a factor in both EW DRG and DT DRG. And even then you're being disingenuous because you're taking the highest possible amounts, when there will be several burst windows in any fight where you aren't able to double-Life Surge or double-Wyrmwind due to how things align.

You had edited the "after buffs" part in after I had already posted. Either way, DT still has just as many oGCD. Difference is like I said, you get to use them right away instead of having to wait for LotD. Dragoon used to suck badly because of so many weak burst windows and an exceptionally weak opener. Now it's consistently good and busy, instead of being feast or famine with lots of potential to screw up the entire rotation long term over small mistakes.

To each their own at the end of the day, but it's going to stay this way.

In EW if you managed to handle your eyes correctly it was a burst every 30 sec it was more fun that way

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You had edited the "after buffs" part in after I had already posted. Either way, DT still has just as many oGCD. Difference is like I said, you get to use them right away instead of having to wait for LotD. Dragoon used to suck badly because of so many weak burst windows and an exceptionally weak opener. Now it's consistently good and busy, instead of being feast or famine with lots of potential to screw up the entire rotation long term over small mistakes.

To each their own at the end of the day, but it's going to stay this way.

You are factually wrong, I have presented the numbers to you in plain English, and pastebins can't be edited when the creator is "a guest." I'm not engaging with you in terms of arguments anymore, but if I need to reply to make sure you aren't misinforming people I will continue to do so. The job was previously exactly even with how it was in EW in terms of OGCD usage, and is now two OGCDs less. Those are the numbers, as anyone who is able to count will be able to tell you.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

It's not two oGCD less now though, you are spreading misinformation.

DT 100 in 7.1: 1) Geirskogul, 2) Nastrond, 3) Jump, 4) Mirage Dive, 5) Stardiver, 6) Starcross, 7) Dragonfire Dive, 8) Rise of the Dragon, 9) Wyrmwind Thrust, 10) Life Surge, 11) Second Wyrmwind, 12) Second Life Surge. 10 **unique abilities**.

EW 90: 1) Geirskogul, 2) Nastrond, 3) Nastrond, 4) Spineshatter, 5) Spineshatter, 6) Jump, 7) Mirage Dive, 8) Stardiver, 9) Dragonfire Dive, 10) Wyrmwind Thrust, 11) Life Surge 12) Second Wyrmwind, 13) Second Life Surge. 8 **unique abilities**.

If you want to be honest, just do so.

You can't include Gierskogul in the count like that for Dawntrail unless you're counting all buffs on both counts, because that button is now one of your buff applications, in case you missed the changes to how the job works. Once you count all buffs back in, yes it is in fact two OGCDs shorter now. But again, you're going to sit there and call other people dishonest while twisting the information in bizarre ways, and then throw in random meaningless nonsense like "unique abilities" to even further confuse the point. You've never once engaged honestly throughout this entire discussion, and THAT is why we have deemed you a troll.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

You can't include Gierskogul in the count like that for Dawntrail unless you're counting all buffs on both counts, because that button is now one of your buff applications, in case you missed the changes to how the job works. Once you count all buffs back in, yes it is in fact two OGCDs shorter now. But again, you're going to sit there and call other people dishonest while twisting the information in bizarre ways, and then throw in random meaningless nonsense like "unique abilities" to even further confuse the point. You've never once engaged honestly throughout this entire discussion, and THAT is why we have deemed you a troll.

Getting a bit contrived now aren't you?

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

It's not two oGCD less now though, you are spreading misinformation.

DT 100 in 7.1: 1) Geirskogul, 2) Nastrond, 3) Jump, 4) Mirage Dive, 5) Stardiver, 6) Starcross, 7) Dragonfire Dive, 8) Rise of the Dragon, 9) Wyrmwind Thrust, 10) Life Surge, 11) Second Wyrmwind, 12) Second Life Surge. 10 unique abilities.

EW 90: 1) Geirskogul, 2) Nastrond, 3) Nastrond, 4) Spineshatter, 5) Spineshatter, 6) Jump, 7) Mirage Dive, 8) Stardiver, 9) Dragonfire Dive, 10) Wyrmwind Thrust, 11) Life Surge 12) Second Wyrmwind, 13) Second Life Surge. 9 unique abilities.

If you want to be honest, just do so.

Ah I get your twisted logic. In DT you count GSK as a buff not an oGCD while in EW you count it as an oGCD. So the reality is, with consistent logic, pre-7.1 had +1 oGCD over EW, and now it is 1 less oGCD but 1 more unique ability. Woooooow.

DT 100 7.0: 1) GSK, 2) Nast, 3) Nast, 4) Nast, 5) Jump, 6) MD, 7) Stardiver, 8) Starcross, 9) DFD, 10) RotD, 11) WWT, 12) LS, 13) WWT, 14) LS.

EW DRG had 3 Nastrond not 2

Originally Posted by Nikoto

Your daily reminder to stop responding to Hikari.

Anyway, going back to this being the policy of the thread now. Just couldn't sit here with this troll feeding misinformation about how the job plays for anyone who might need the numbers handy.

Originally Posted by Noox-115

EW DRG had 3 Nastrond not 2

Any way you slice it, the differences are extremely slim and I feel the job plays much better now due to the removal of eyes. I was going off the pastebin saying it had 2 nastrond. Personally I wasn't a fan of the buildup and inconsistent burst windows, but to each their own. I can see why some people would prefer pre-DT dragoon as it gives you more time to ease into the complex and busy burst instead of just being thrust right into it from the start of the fight.

Originally Posted by Noox-115

EW DRG had 3 Nastrond not 2

Third Nastrond in Endwalker did not fall under buffs because the skill was on a 10 second timer and buffs lasted 20 seconds. Since the conversation is about how busy the job is during burst moreso than in general, the numbers being discussed were specifically about usage during the buff windows.

ah i see gpt it