Cheaters and Add-ons

[AnimaAnimus]

SE hasn't done anything about cheating since FFXI released, so it is nothing new. FFXIV v1 had a much worse problem the it does currrently but they did nothing then either. Instead they just deleted 90% of our gil at relaunch. So I am never surprised when cheater cheat.

I still think that games need to crack down harder on ppl who buy things with real money instead of those who sell things for real money. RMT can always make new accounts with throw away characters but actual players are much more invested and a perma ban would be a much more impactful deterrent that would help curb the problem much more efficiently.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

SE hasn't done anything about cheating since FFXI released, so it is nothing new. FFXIV v1 had a much worse problem the it does currrently but they did nothing then either. Instead they just deleted 90% of our gil at relaunch. So I am never surprised when cheater cheat.

I still think that games need to crack down harder on ppl who buy things with real money instead of those who sell things for real money. RMT can always make new accounts with throw away characters but actual players are much more invested and a perma ban would be a much more impactful deterrent that would help curb the problem much more efficiently.

LMAO flowerpot ban says otherwise

[AurisNix]

SE puts cheats and mods even super soft insignificant mods in the same bag, if they remove cheats they will have to remove every single mod out there through one of those third party anti cheat tools that verifies game files etc, anyways if that ever happens this game will die, they will see a drastic drop in their income because either you like it or not this is a very social player driven game and a huge part of the community like RP, housing use mods and if you take away their toys from them thats an instant enrage. Ironically raiders use alot of QoL tools through mods (mods that SE have been implementing into the game lol) and i already see ppl also getting mad. The thing is that SE cant and will never ban mods (and therefore cheats) cuz that will straight up kill the game.

If anything the patch cycles are so slow and there such a lack of current content since EW that ppl that keep playing are mostly RP players, Cafes etc during downtime while other players just takes breaks or quit the game till something new drops and that doesn't happen often (patchs now releasing every 4-6 months)

[Alenonimo]

All actions of the developers will have them weighting things like what could make more money with what could cost money to implement. This is them being pragmatic and they're not wrong.



For example, adding an anti-cheat to the game would cost some money and wouldn't really improve revenue. Cheating in FFXIV is usually not something that stops people from subscribing, or at least the system that they have now of receiving reports from the users seems to put enough cheaters down as to not rile up the player base. Also, adding an anti-cheat could stop some users from playing, like the ones with low spec machines or esoteric setups (Linux running Wine, Steam Deck, etc...).


Every time they did something to curb improper use of the game was because the financial loss of not doing it was significant, like when cheaters would run the Steam version of the game as the non-Steam version to refund the purchase after a while, which was being used by bots to avoid financial losses from bans. It was costing money to Squenix and Valve and was making cheating rampant which pissed off the players too.



So either the current way to handle the cheaters are not bad enough that it costs them anything or it's done in a way that they get their money worth it. If it works for them and don't get in my way of playing the game, I'm fine with it.

[Fhaerron]

Since apparently everybody in this thread has a PHD in Japan's company law system a few questions;

Destiny 2 & Tom Clancy's The Division 2 have anti-cheat and more recently EA's Apex Legends has added anti cheat (also making it unplayable on the Steam Deck in the process).
Anyway those 3 games have anti cheat but are available in Japan, yet people here claim that it's not allowed to have those anti cheats in Japan.. so how come?
And what about CoD & BF games? I don't really play shooter games so I don't know which games have them but the 3 above I mentioned I know have them.

Not that I'm pro anti cheat. Or well I don't mind anti cheat but I dislike those kernel level anti cheat which are actually spywere and take a hit on performance no matter if you're low end or high end hardware.

I'm just curious about the fact that those programs seems to be not allowed in Japan, yet several of those games (with those programs in them) seems to operate just fine in Japan?

[Mortex]

I’m gonna be totally honest. The modding community in ff14 is the biggest reason they wont do this. It’s a massive player base that mods the game and stays in the game because of this reason. They use it for RP and the other not so friendly for work role play and a big chunk of community events use mods.

[kko77]

Even modders block repositories of cheat apps so you can't easily install them. Most just want visual modification, not cheats.

[Kandraxx]

They should just up the game a little and less people would feel the need for add-ons. Auto-combo for those horrible 123s with no thought or variation would be a first step.

The idea that someone can suddenly clear hard/sweaty content which he couldn't before because his 123 is now 111 is a little far-fetched.

Usually people start getting plugins because of things like that and after a while they look for more...

[LordTimmy]

While I find sad but at the same time makes me think "aww you cute thing xD" when I see a DPS with no materia on, like with at least 200+ ilevel down over performing other players with the latest gear and materia while moving and jumping throughout the whole arena. There is not much that can be done. All I can do is to think they need those 3rdparty tools, or they won't have fun and rage quit the game.

Less ppl playing, less revenue to SE, and so on...

Also, I don't really think if we cut off all cheaters FF14 will --OMGWeAreSoDoomed *dies* xD-- but is a very good chunk since from the beginning SE didn't do much to prevent it.

BUT, there are different degrees of cheating, If the guy mentioned in my previous example, jumping, moving like a headless chicken and over-performing the whole ally in a raid is using a packet optimizer to spam the server so he/she doesn't have any latency to do a perfect rotation with no delays, but adding stress to the server cus the spam of packets to be the first inputting his data to the server, yeah, that bouncy fella should have the ban hammer.

Other add ons like glamour or changing appearance are pretty much inoffensive and normally it happens on the gamer terminal, I don't have any problems with them.

If people want to outperform and be """the best""" by cheating I only can say that if they want to brag about how fast they won with cheating, well... good for you bro xD. 80 to 90% of the playerbase couldn't care less. But, if they're happy they will keep paying the sub, so win for SE keeping high numbers.

[Darkstride]

This is only my own experience, but I've been paying since 1.0 and I can't recall a single time when it was necessary to go out of my way to report someone for cheating. I don't personally find it to be frequent or noticeable, and it certainly hasn't affected me directly that I know of. Are other players really encountering it so often?

As for anti-cheat, I don't even like mods let alone cheats, but I would hate to have it implemented. In my experience anti-cheat can cause launching and performance problems even for those of us who just play the game as intended.