Crafting in General - OMG Fix It

[zzapp]

I haven't ranted on this is a while.

I've started leveling up my Archer recently, so decided to make myself a Plumed Willow Shortbow, which is a R26 crp synth. I got myself as many HQ ingredients as I could find, thinking I had a good chance of HQ'g this @ R50. Long story short, I ended up almost failing this, and had to use every ability I had just to make the damn thing, and finished within 1 failed attempt of a total synthesis failure. ><

I really hope they're planning on fixing this soon.

[Radaghast]

You tried to make one bow expecting the best results? If that's all it took the market would be flooded with HQ's.

[Reika]

You failed to noticed that he is R50 carpenter crafting a r26 recipe and almost failing it. That was the highlight of the BS experience. It wasn't about him not being able to HQ, it was about the crazy fail rate on something 24 ranks below him.

[Radaghast]

One sample means nothing.

What gear was he using?
What abilities does he have slotted?
Unlucky with an unstable lightning? Ice?
Is the craft based on magic craft or craftmanship?
Does it take a book that the crafter doesn't have?
Just dumb awful luck failing one synth? How many are you doing at one time.
Spamming bold too often?


I don't have these amazing fail rates I keep reading about. I fail every once in awhile, but were talking things well within my rank, not 26 below it. That's usually something I'm trying to HQ and deliberately take risks spamming bold and the like. Even then it's fairly easy to determine when to actually stop bolding and standard to finish according to how much durability you have left.

Something is off...

[Reika]

One sample means nothing.

What gear was he using?
What abilities does he have slotted?
Unlucky with an unstable lightning? Ice?
Is the craft based on magic craft or craftmanship?
Does it take a book that the crafter doesn't have?
Just dumb awful luck failing one synth? How many are you doing at one time.
Spamming bold too often?


I don't have these amazing fail rates I keep reading about. I fail every once in awhile, but were talking things well within my rank, not 26 below it. That's usually something I'm trying to HQ and deliberately take risks spamming bold and the like. Even then it's fairly easy to determine when to actually stop bolding and standard to finish according to how much durability you have left.

Something is off...

the crafting system? I almost failed a r12 recipe at r50 a few times. just completely random and out there.

[Geldt]

One sample means nothing.

What gear was he using?
What abilities does he have slotted?
Unlucky with an unstable lightning? Ice?
Is the craft based on magic craft or craftmanship?
Does it take a book that the crafter doesn't have?
Just dumb awful luck failing one synth? How many are you doing at one time.
Spamming bold too often?


I don't have these amazing fail rates I keep reading about. I fail every once in awhile, but were talking things well within my rank, not 26 below it. That's usually something I'm trying to HQ and deliberately take risks spamming bold and the like. Even then it's fairly easy to determine when to actually stop bolding and standard to finish according to how much durability you have left.

Something is off...

Agreed. Square has so many variables in the crafting system it is almost impossible to tell when somebody is doing it "right." (whatever that is >_>) I'm not a Japanese culture expert, but am I right in assuming that they equate complexity and intricacy with skill and intelligence? Well something like that? Anyway, I'd love to have some Japanese > English perspectives on this system and it's so-called problems.

[Reika]

Let me tell you both why his clothes dont matter, since he is R50 making a R26 recipe item. ONE main thing: The tool. Compare stats of a r27 tool to a r42 or 47 tool. BIG increase in stats right?

Same thing with me and the r12 recipe. How much of each stat do you think a person has at rank 12 with a rank 12 tool, then how much to you think a person has at r50 with a r47 tool. and my R47 tool is +1, more stats. Totally naked i have over 70 in every stat, more than a r12 recipe would ever need. more than a r26 recipe needs.

[Radaghast]

And Im saying again, something is off because I don't fail recipes that far below my rank, like ever. So there's obviously some other factors were not seeing.

Just a guess but the plumed requires both the bowyering book as well as the guild buff to not get any durability/success penalties. I remember back in the day trying to do a simple cavalry bow and failed because I was getting lightning unstables nonstop due to not having bowyering. It could require magic craft over craftmanship. Who knows I've never bothered to try to make one.

[zzapp]

It never ceases to amaze me how certain people are freely inclined to go off about something totally impertinent to a particular post point.

Thank you, Reika, for pointing out what I assumed to be inherently obvious. It isn't about the succes rate of the HQ. It's about the near failure of a synth 24 ranks below me ><

It shouldn't matter what I'm wearing or what books I have with that rank disparity, but if you must know, I have very good gear. I have every book available for carpenter, weaver, leather, and I even have a brand of wind, which is the most common unstable element for crp. For abilities equipped, Fullfillment, Tender Touch, Preserve, Perfection, Brand of wind. Since I was hoping to HQ this, yes, it goes without saying Bold would be a factor in this, and yes, I do know when to stop. When the current synthesis system decides to go into its RNG rage mode, without regard to skills, there's not a damn thing you can do about it, and it's just plain wrong. Oh, and when I get better quality from a standard attempt as compared to bold, it's just one more thing that's broken about this entire system.

Maybe take the time to read my various posts in this thread to fully understand my many issues with the current crafting system, as opposed to drawing an inappropriate and incorrect conclusion that I'm going off about not HQ's a single, stand-alone synth. If you're too lazy to read the posts, it could simply be summarized as follows:

1. Remove the massive RNG crap in the coding.
2. Make success rates and HQ success rates more in line with skills.
3. Fix all the broken abilities, some of which are totally broken.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Lionix]

It isn't about the succes rate of the HQ. It's about the near failure of a synth 24 ranks below me ><

It helps to note that 24 isn't just a number, it's freakin' half the total value you can possibly accomplish. It's half the game, 24/50.