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  1. #431
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    vipicto's Avatar
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    Betty Boop
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    What a lame answer. Small indie company SE, everyone.
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  2. #432
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    Sana Minatozaki
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    "we just did a major graphics update but can't even do 1 hairstyle" ok guess we get a wet noodle mop hair
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  3. #433
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    Ara Amai
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Caro178 View Post
    What did you want them to do? They said it right there. This is no longer "Natural Curls" and they will persevere to look for other ways to implement "Natural Curls". They weren't going to pull the inspired-by hairstyle out of the game last second and fix it in a day. This reassurance that they will try again is the best answer you could have possibly hoped for. Corporate speak or not the fact that a response was issued is in and of itself a very positive sign.
    They've backtracked and fixed things before many times especially when outrages are this big the very least I was expecting was announcing to remodel the hairstyle atleast for a different patch but waiting for a new hairstyle will take about another expansion or two.
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  4. #434
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeoCat View Post
    Because the modders don't take into account that the game has to also run on toasters so they do not care about stuff like optimisation and poly counts and complex shaders.
    Exactly - And then modders complain they crash because they have to load in half a million polygons per player when they enter a area with high player traffic, like Limsa or Solution Nine.
    So they have to disable them in order the game to work.

    Can you imagine SE going "Sorry Low End guys, this hairstyle and clothing breaks the fight for you, please unequip." ?
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  5. #435
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    Melomane's Avatar
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    Bey Chella
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    Mateus
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    Archer Lv 100
    I love how this is just a nice way of saying how POC hair is difficult to manage. Something most of us have heard from media out whole lives. Meanwhile they don't want people using mods to get the natural hair that apparently can't be done in game.
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  6. #436
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    Spooky Rahl
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chesskyth View Post
    Hello.

    Thank you for all your feedback on the hairstyle that will be implemented in Patch 7.1. We would like to apologize for the major confusion we have caused.

    For this patch, we started work to implement "Natural Curls" from the winning entries of the Hairstyle Design Contest, based on the idea of adding not only straight hair but also a variety of other hairstyles.

    However, as the development work progressed, the light, delicate, and voluminous curls required for Natural Curls could not be implemented perfectly, despite implementation of the recent graphical update in FFXIV, due to limitations such as the polygon count.

    Therefore, the finished result is a hairstyle that has not been implemented as Natural Curls, but as a wavy bob hairstyle, which is called "Doing the Wave" in-game.

    However, since we did use the winning entry as a reference in the development process, we included a statement to that effect in the patch notes. We are deeply sorry that this has resulted in a great deal of confusion and concern.

    Although we were not able to make it happen this time, the development team will continue to strive to implement many more hairstyles in the future. As for Natural Curls, which was not implemented in Patch 7.1, we will persevere in our efforts to look for other ways to implement this hairstyle.

    We appreciate your feedback and hope you continue to enjoy FFXIV!
    I appreciate that this answer was meant to be diplomatic but it really comes off as dismissive of the issue. I sincerely hope when the "issues" are solved and Natural Curls releases finally it will be a free default hair for all players. Everyone deserves access to a hairstyle like this by default so they can make their WoL look like themselves if they so choose. And that's the real root of this issue, the lack of representation that people are asking for repeatedly. I hope the team can find some consultants for this like they did for Dawntrail and fix these issues. If other games can work within their own technical confines to bring representation, in at least hair, to the table there is no reason CBU3 can't do the same.
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  7. #437
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvoryHawk View Post
    How are modders able to do this better than the official team? we already have full blown afros, jheri curls, dreads....
    Simple really, modest are not beholden to polygon count, player come count or physics.

    The limits they imposed on themselves are to maintain the minimum system requirements.

    If they did not have those, then yes, the sky is the limit.
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  8. #438
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstrologyBF View Post
    Not going to touch the speciousness of the “technical limitations” argument in 2024 (lol, lmao even), but I will point out that it is very telling that at no point did anyone on the development team see fit to contact the original artist - they found out *after* it was already becoming general knowledge.

    Y’all need to stop having such a cavalier attitude towards fellow creatives.
    This right here is the problem. All they needed to do put an addendum when the patch notes released, something to the extent of:

    "While we originally intended to implement "Natural Curls," development proved significantly more challenging than anticipation. Therefore, we have opted to release a different hairstyle and will continue to work on "Natural Curls" so it may better represent the creativity of the artist and maintain the standards you've come to expect from FFXIV. We appreciate your feedback and apologize for this setback."

    Would people still be upset? Some, absolutely. But there wouldn't be this blowback if they took it on the chin to start. Instead, they slapped "inspired by" on a model that looks nothing like the artist render and hoped no one would notice.
    (19)
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    "The silence is your answer."


  9. #439
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    Skotyrfedar Dzemael
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by seolhyun View Post
    "we just did a major graphics update but can't even do 1 hairstyle" ok guess we get a wet noodle mop hair
    I mean they botched even the graphics update given they've outright destroyed racial traits on certain clans more or less erasing them from the game, and now are slowly rolling out "updates" to fix the 'update' meaning most people won't see their characters return to them for another 1-2 years if at all. Unsurprised at all they fubar'd a hairstyle that was handed to them with the polygon sectioning sorted as the artist based it on existing in-game models and limitations for pre-GFX update polycounts.

    I want to hope we'll one day see the Natural Curls style properly implemented, especially since there are other games in the market running on engines just as old or "limited" (GW2, WoW) who have 100% achieved having textured and POC hair options available, but given they clearly can't handle workflow for basic things like fixing normal maps that got erased from the original 6.x era models I have zero confidence in them.

    What an absolute joke of a company.
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  10. #440
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    Dove Wright
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    I remember seeing that this one had won the contest and had been really excited for it, though I don't think it would suit any of my current characters.
    Completely unsurprised Square Enix didn't do it any justice, like why did they even pick this hair if they weren't going to actually make it.
    It honestly doesn't even look like they tried.
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