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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    "You just have to get good like me"
    Casual doesn't automatically mean you can't be decent at the game, some of my friends don't touch above Alliance raids and are really good at their jobs and the game in general.

    Please stop this nonsense.

    Being a casual is fine, you can be good at the game while only being a casual player who does alliance raids or whatever as their endgame.

    Being good at the game does NOT mean you need to clear ultimates and savages.

    Being good means you're able to perform well in the level of content you do, and know your main jobs well enough to complete said content.
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    Last edited by NightHour; 11-07-2024 at 11:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightHour View Post
    Casual doesn't automatically mean you can't be decent at the game, some of my friends don't touch above Alliance raids and are really good at their jobs and the game in general.

    Please stop this nonsense.

    Being a casual is fine, you can be good at the game while only being a casual player who does alliance raids or whatever as their endgame.

    Being good at the game does NOT mean you need to clear ultimates and savages.

    Being good means you're able to perform well in the level of content you do, and know your main jobs well enough to complete said content.
    Not sure what might have been misunderstood but I agree with not 99% of what you say but 100%.
    Casual is about the level of commitment required, not the level of skill. Getting up to the standard required to match Extremes PF descriptions for example takes a lot of commitment. (Guides, clearing to a level, practicing to you can guarantee that level because god forbid it takes you a couple of runs to remember)
    Change that PF culture, and extemes can become casual content tomorrow.
    And to be clear changing PF culture is NOT the job of people themselves to change. PF system has been around ages, what we have now is the equilibrium behaviour for EU cultures, Vs NA cultures, Vs JP cultures.
    Changing PF culture requires changing the PF tools, changing the instance incentives ( eg moving into Duty Finder, adding more nuanced matchmaking options like clear phase 1 , clear phase 2 etc, offering rewards for not bailing after the first wipe)
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    Last edited by Gurgeh; 11-07-2024 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    Not sure what might have been misunderstood but I agree with not 99% of what you say but 100%.
    Casual is about the level of commitment required, not the level of skill. Getting up to the standard required to match Extremes PF descriptions for example games a lot of commitment.
    Change that PF culture, and extemes can become casual content tomorrow.
    And to be clear changing PF culture is NOT the job of people themselves to change. PF system has been around ages, what we have now is the equilibrium behaviour for EU cultures, Vs NA cultures, Vs JP cultures.
    Changing PF culture requires changing the PF tools, charging the instance incentives ( eg moving into Duty Finder, adding more nuanced matchmaking options like clear phase 1 , clear phase 2 etc, offering rewards for not bailing after the first wipe)
    This is absolutely not true, the standard for EX PF description is "know up to the point we're trying to reach and know a guide" how does that take a lot of commitment besides knowing the fight?
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