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    This reminds me a bit of family telling you "life is hard, deal with it", translated it becomes "i don't have empathy, not my problem you have to deal with something that makes no sense and instead of trying to fix the nonsense i'd rather tell you to suck it up and toughen up, and i actually took the time to come all the way here to tell it to your face just because".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    This reminds me a bit of family telling you "life is hard, deal with it", translated it becomes "i don't have empathy, not my problem you have to deal with something that makes no sense and instead of trying to fix the nonsense i'd rather tell you to suck it up and toughen up, and i actually took the time to come all the way here to tell it to your face just because".
    Haha no kidding; exactly this. Thank you for the chuckle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    This reminds me a bit of family telling you "life is hard, deal with it", translated it becomes "i don't have empathy, not my problem you have to deal with something that makes no sense and instead of trying to fix the nonsense i'd rather tell you to suck it up and toughen up, and i actually took the time to come all the way here to tell it to your face just because".
    Yes because personal responsibility is such a bad thing. Heaven forbid people take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming others for one's own mistakes. I'm not without empathy for OP but shit happens and SE doesn't have any legal or moral obligation to fix the mistake created by OP. If SE ran around fixing all the mistakes people make despite agreeing to the terms and agreements, then they would just have to close up shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim View Post
    Yes because personal responsibility is such a bad thing. Heaven forbid people take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming others for one's own mistakes. I'm not without empathy for OP but shit happens and SE doesn't have any legal or moral obligation to fix the mistake created by OP. If SE ran around fixing all the mistakes people make despite agreeing to the terms and agreements, then they would just have to close up shop.
    At this point I feel you are more upset than I am. I'll survive the 90 days if I have to; will you survive the inconvenience and personal enticement to keep commenting in this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomoken View Post
    At this point I feel you are more upset than I am. I'll survive the 90 days if I have to; will you survive the inconvenience and personal enticement to keep commenting in this thread?
    My heart aches for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomoken View Post
    My one mistake in a video game makes me less of a mature and responsible adult? Does that mean you spending time being a prick on a random forum board for a game makes you even less of one?

    Makes me wonder how perfect you are outside of this forum post; are you projecting your own failures upon me?
    No, this projecting onto others and calling people names makes your maturity questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim View Post
    ...SE doesn't have any legal or moral obligation to fix the mistake created by OP...
    It's this bit right here that is manipulatively false.
    People have entire parts of their lives, and social circles invested in this game.
    People that if they are separated from ... it hurts.
    Hell people meet and marry IRL through this game. Fme no moral obligation...
    They wait 2 years for the next expansion.
    They wait that long to plan out their hopes and ambitions for it.
    They often have 100s and 100s and 100s invested in getting to that point.
    They may even have travelled across country or even round the world to meet the people they play with.
    It is BAD DESIGN, BROKEN DESIGN, if the game can't protect itself from abuse while allowing mistakes to be corrected.
    The whole mog station is just awful and transfer is NO
    exception.

    Absolutely they have moral Fing obligation, to be compassionate and honour the small cost of addressing this for the real feeling person in question.

    What glib flippant garbage "no moral obligation". There is always a moral consideration, matters of mortality are always about duty. Duty is obligation.

    I have no idea if this is a cultural thing. Perhaps the concept of "Duty of Care" not exist where they are from. It may not, some cultures profoundly scorn social welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    It's this bit right here that is manipulatively false.
    People have entire parts of their lives, and social circles invested in this game.
    People that if they are separated from ... it hurts.
    Hell people meet and marry IRL through this game. Fme no moral obligation...
    They wait 2 years for the next expansion.
    They wait that long to plan out their hopes and ambitions for it.
    They often have 100s and 100s and 100s invested in getting to that point.
    They may even have travelled across country or even round the world to meet the people they play with.
    It is BAD DESIGN, BROKEN DESIGN, if the game can't protect itself from abuse while allowing mistakes to be corrected.
    The whole mog station is just awful and transfer is NO
    exception.

    Absolutely they have moral Fing obligation, to be compassionate and honour the small cost of addressing this for the real feeling person in question.

    What glib flippant garbage "no moral obligation". There is always a moral consideration, matters of mortality are always about duty. Duty is obligation.

    I have no idea if this is a cultural thing. Perhaps the concept of "Duty of Care" not exist where they are from. It may not, some cultures profoundly scorn social welfare.
    This is ridicolous. If SE had any moral obligation to their customers, it would be fulfilled with them preemptively putting multiple confirmation checks that allow a customer to review their decisions, and stop without any sort of penalty. If the customers cares less about reading thoroughly than SE cared when they put those checks in place, on the customer's head be it.

    But SE has no such moral obligation to anyone because this is a videogame, not a life or death situation for which your duty to care thing would apply, and if a customer has a shittier experience as a result of their own hurried mistakes when SE has already tried everything to prevent it from happening, then the customer will live, and play another game as Yoshi'p always intended, praise Yoshi'p. If this has ruined their second life which is realer then their first life, well then, this was never the way SE intended us to play. If the customer cares about it this much... Then they shouldalso care enough to read the warnings.

    SE does have an obligation though, to themselves, and to us as well: an obligation to not run their resources and manpower ragged running after people asking for take-backsies willy nilly. Do you really think the 90 days cooldown is to prevent market board abuse in a game where we get handed infinite gil forever? It's so people actually put a lot of thought into what they do, which they would stop doing if they always had support at their beck and call.
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    Last edited by Celine_Aurora; 11-07-2024 at 10:07 PM.

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